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Identifying equipment on Kubelwagen
Dino84
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Posted: Tuesday, January 05, 2016 - 01:04 PM UTC
Hi all,

I'm planning on building the Kubelwagen captured by 3 Squadron RAAF however it appears to have a piece of equipment attached I can't identify. It is the black item located below the windscreen in the attached photos. I can't see anything similar in pictures of other Kubelwagens. Could this be a field modification or an addition made after capture?




Scott.
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Posted: Tuesday, January 05, 2016 - 01:08 PM UTC
Hi Scott,

Looks like a horn to me fella that's been bodged on to the vehicle.

Dan
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Posted: Tuesday, January 05, 2016 - 01:22 PM UTC
Maybe a mount for the gun?
Sean50
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Posted: Tuesday, January 05, 2016 - 01:29 PM UTC
Hello there

Dan is correct, it's a horn.

There's a whole load of changes to be made to any of the available kits if you want to make thus early car, by the way. For instance, this was the original location of the horn.

Cheers

Sean
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Posted: Tuesday, January 05, 2016 - 05:11 PM UTC

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There's a whole load of changes to be made to any of the available kits if you want to make thus early car, by the way.


Here are a few :





(from http://vw82.free.fr/index.php/typ82-chrono/ )

H.P.
Dino84
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Posted: Tuesday, January 05, 2016 - 06:12 PM UTC
Thanks everyone, looks like I'm in for a fair bit of work!

Scott.
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Posted: Tuesday, January 05, 2016 - 10:30 PM UTC

I don't think all the changes H-P posted will be necessary. A couple of good references, particularly for early Kübelwagen are two Allied publications, both since reprinted.

The BIOS report on the Volkswagen and the US technical manual TM E9-803. The latter I think is available as a PDF for free but the image quality isn't the best. Maybe adequate for what you need though.

Which kit are you using as a base?
I would suggest either the Hasegawa/Bego or Tamiya DAK versions. The latter may be easier to find.

In brief, your main issues will be new exhausts, shortened rear mudguards, fill in holes for jacking points, relocate horn (and add extension as per photo) and shovel, fit trafficators onto the sides of the windshields.

I think that's about it.

Cheers,

Sean
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Posted: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 - 01:56 AM UTC
Looking closer at the RAAF Kubelwagen pics, I guess it could be a 1940-1941 model...Check out the linked page to spot the details

H.P.
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Posted: Thursday, January 07, 2016 - 02:55 PM UTC
Discussions exactly like this one is why I dearly love Armorama. Interesting and informative stuff like this really makes my day. Seriously, where else can anyone find amazing conversations and cool reference material like this? Thanks guys!

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Posted: Thursday, January 07, 2016 - 03:28 PM UTC
i find really interesting the RAAF picture,on the picture you can see 2 tommy-gun,cal.30,one Lee Enfield but the other rifle?...short barrel,skinny long Bayonet and i think even a optics?...maybe a Italian Moschetto Carcano Mod.91?...
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Posted: Thursday, January 07, 2016 - 06:47 PM UTC
I don't know if that's an Italian rifle (good guess for sure) but there's no .30cal MG in the photo. It's a .50cal Browning HMG with an perforated barrel jacket (likely taken from an aircraft mount). The .30cal M1917A4 MG would be much smaller.
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Posted: Thursday, January 07, 2016 - 07:05 PM UTC

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I don't know if that's an Italian rifle (good guess for sure) but there's no .30cal MG in the photo. It's a .50cal Browning HMG with an perforated barrel jacket (likely taken from an aircraft mount). The .30cal M1917A4 MG would be much smaller.


Barrel looks awfully small to me to be a 50cal. Were they different lengths?
ziggyfoos
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Posted: Thursday, January 07, 2016 - 07:11 PM UTC
"Small" I mean as in length of the barrel. Were aircraft 50s shorter in overall length than the air cooled M2?

Vicious
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Posted: Friday, January 08, 2016 - 02:37 AM UTC

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I don't know if that's an Italian rifle (good guess for sure) but there's no .30cal MG in the photo. It's a .50cal Browning HMG with an perforated barrel jacket (likely taken from an aircraft mount). The .30cal M1917A4 MG would be much smaller.


Now i watch in fact looks a cal.30 after a Hormons treatment!...

i am curious about the rifle becose i know some sniper (i am convinced to see a Optic on the rifle) like to customise is own gun and i see picture of Lee Enfield costomize look similar,but is unusual expecially for a desert warfare see a optics mounted on a short barrel rifle,i can understan in a jungle were you can approach the anemy a lot more...sorry for the off topic!
Dino84
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Posted: Sunday, January 10, 2016 - 09:23 AM UTC

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Which kit are you using as a base?
I would suggest either the Hasegawa/Bego or Tamiya DAK versions. The latter may be easier to find.


Sorry for the late reply, I'm using the Tamiya 1/48 DAK Kubelwagen as the base.


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Looking closer at the RAAF Kubelwagen pics, I guess it could be a 1940-1941 model...Check out the linked page to spot the details

H.P.


Looking at the pictures again I think you may be right, I can see a wiper cable in front of the windscreen which would put this into the 1940-41 category. I had thought that the rear fender was the earlier short version however this may have been an illusion from the shadows and the angle of the picture. At least this would save me from modifying the photo-etch windscreen, I've been scratching my head trying to figure that one out!

Scott.
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