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Besides the Jeeps and Beeps, shouldn't there be a 1/35 Ford staff car kit? There are all sorts of German cars available, Russian cars, even an Italian car, but no dedicated American car. What do you think?
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Isn't it about time for a 1/35 U.S. staff car
bzak
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Posted: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 - 01:33 AM UTC
SSGToms
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Posted: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 - 01:40 AM UTC
There are two recently released US staff cars out there. ICM makes a Packard and Miniart makes a Cadillac, or something like that. I know there are two though.
pgb3476
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Posted: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 - 01:42 AM UTC
There's really only one Russian staff car, the Gaz M1 from Zvezda.
RobinNilsson
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Posted: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 - 01:55 AM UTC
Packard Twelve by ICM
http://www.icm.com.ua/uploads/posts/2013-08/1376664609_packard-35536_310x234x42mm_face-2.jpg
Slightly different version:
http://www.icm.com.ua/news/292-packard-twelve-model-1936-wwii-soviet-leaders-car.html
Resin kit from Plus Model (US Staff Car, I don't know which make of car it is supposed to be)
http://www.modelchoice.net/catalogue/afv/afv-kits/us-staff-car-pm-.html
Cadillac ?? News to me ....
/ Robin
http://www.icm.com.ua/uploads/posts/2013-08/1376664609_packard-35536_310x234x42mm_face-2.jpg
Slightly different version:
http://www.icm.com.ua/news/292-packard-twelve-model-1936-wwii-soviet-leaders-car.html
Resin kit from Plus Model (US Staff Car, I don't know which make of car it is supposed to be)
http://www.modelchoice.net/catalogue/afv/afv-kits/us-staff-car-pm-.html
Cadillac ?? News to me ....
/ Robin
Frenchy
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Posted: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 - 02:08 AM UTC
You can add a resin Studebaker from Wespe Models :
H.P.
H.P.
GeraldOwens
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Posted: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 - 03:29 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Packard Twelve by ICM
http://www.icm.com.ua/uploads/posts/2013-08/1376664609_packard-35536_310x234x42mm_face-2.jpg
Slightly different version:
http://www.icm.com.ua/news/292-packard-twelve-model-1936-wwii-soviet-leaders-car.html
Resin kit from Plus Model (US Staff Car, I don't know which make of car it is supposed to be)
http://www.modelchoice.net/catalogue/afv/afv-kits/us-staff-car-pm-.html
Cadillac ?? News to me ....
/ Robin
Stalin's 1936 Packard 12 is a bit too expensive and decadent for a US Army staff car. Buicks, Fords, and "boat-tail" Packards were bought in fairly large numbers during the war, though. A few Cadillacs and Lincolns could be seen for very senior generals.
bzak
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Posted: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 - 03:40 AM UTC
Tamiya did a 1942 Ford staff car in 1/48 with their P-51D kit, but never followed up with a 1/35 version. Too bad.
Brian Riedel
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Posted: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 - 03:48 AM UTC
The Opel German staff cars can be easily converted into US Chevy staff cars since Opel was/is GM Europe before and after WWII. ICMs Opel Kadett and Bronco's Opel Olympia will work as US staff cars well.
Chevy staff car that is basically the Kadett.
Chevy staff car that is basically the Kadett.
165thspc
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Posted: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 - 04:07 AM UTC
Never understood why Tamiya did not follow through with a 1/35th scale version of their 42 Ford. Perhaps the resolution of their digital patterns was not good enough to handle the up-scaling.
In any case Tamiya does many things which seem illogical to me so go figure.
I wonder if we might not interest Mirror Models in offering a 42 Ford in 1/35th?
In any case Tamiya does many things which seem illogical to me so go figure.
I wonder if we might not interest Mirror Models in offering a 42 Ford in 1/35th?
Frenchy
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Posted: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 - 02:01 PM UTC
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Chevy staff car that is basically the Kadett.
I'm not sure about that Gino. Don't forget European cars are usually smaller than their US counterparts : the Kadett is only 3,765 mm (148.2 in) long and has a 2,337 mm (92.0 in) wheelbase, whereas the Chevy should have a 2,844 mm (112 in) wheelbase...
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M4A1Sherman
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Posted: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 - 03:04 PM UTC
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Quoted TextPackard Twelve by ICM
http://www.icm.com.ua/uploads/posts/2013-08/1376664609_packard-35536_310x234x42mm_face-2.jpg
Slightly different version:
http://www.icm.com.ua/news/292-packard-twelve-model-1936-wwii-soviet-leaders-car.html
Resin kit from Plus Model (US Staff Car, I don't know which make of car it is supposed to be)
http://www.modelchoice.net/catalogue/afv/afv-kits/us-staff-car-pm-.html
Cadillac ?? News to me ....
/ Robin
Stalin's 1936 Packard 12 is a bit too expensive and decadent for a US Army staff car. Buicks, Fords, and "boat-tail" Packards were bought in fairly large numbers during the war, though. A few Cadillacs and Lincolns could be seen for very senior generals.
Ike used a 1941 Packard Sedan quite a bit, (Yes, even in Europe, 1944/45. Patton got quite a bit of use out of his 1939 Cadillac Fleetwood 75 Limo in Germany, right after the war ended in 1945. In fact, this was the car in which Patton suffered his fatal accident. He lingered for a while in great pain. What a sad end for the man who was arguably America's greatest General, despite his numerous "faux pas'"...
I personally, would LOVE to see these two cars replicated in both 1/35 and 1/24. Also, the American Armed services made great use of nearly all makes of "civilian" cars, notably Buicks, Chevrolets, Fords, Plymouths, Dodges, and Chryslers. I'd be very enthusiastic about seeing these cars replicated in 1/35 and 1/24, as well...
Frenchy
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Posted: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 - 03:13 PM UTC
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Resin kit from Plus Model (US Staff Car, I don't know which make of car it is supposed to be)
Looks to be a 1938 Plymouth P5 :
http://www.missing-lynx.com/reviews/usa/plusmodel300reviewlp_1.html
H.P.
M4A1Sherman
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Posted: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 - 03:38 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Quoted TextPackard Twelve by ICM
http://www.icm.com.ua/uploads/posts/2013-08/1376664609_packard-35536_310x234x42mm_face-2.jpg
Slightly different version:
http://www.icm.com.ua/news/292-packard-twelve-model-1936-wwii-soviet-leaders-car.html
Resin kit from Plus Model (US Staff Car, I don't know which make of car it is supposed to be)
http://www.modelchoice.net/catalogue/afv/afv-kits/us-staff-car-pm-.html
Cadillac ?? News to me ....
/ Robin
Stalin's 1936 Packard 12 is a bit too expensive and decadent for a US Army staff car. Buicks, Fords, and "boat-tail" Packards were bought in fairly large numbers during the war, though. A few Cadillacs and Lincolns could be seen for very senior generals.
"BOAT-TAIL" Packards were VERY Limited Production cars, which had their bodies built by "special order" from coach-makers such as Dietrich and LeBaron... They were built on "short" Special-production Chassis, and most made use of the Packard "Eight" Engine, with very, very few Lebaron-Packard Boat-Tail "Twelves" ever being sold. Clark Gable owned one of these, and also gave one to actress Carole Lombard as a gift. (Wonder what she did to warrant such a fabulously expensive gift?) As a matter-of-fact, NO Boat-Tail Packards were built after 1935. Packard's "1935" cars were referred to as "Twelfth Series" cars, in Official Company Nomenclature.
Facts- Packards were Officially built in "Series", rather than by Model Year; my earlier reference to Eisenhower's "1941" Packard Limo is strictly meant as a general reference, following published references of this particular automobile in books by authors whose knowledge of all things Packard seems to be pretty limited. Officially, Packard's "1941 Model-Year" cars were known as "Nineteenth Series" vehicles. I have enough books about Packards to know that this truly WAS the case...
j76ljr
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Posted: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 - 04:52 PM UTC
Id like to see it made by Dragon or Tamiya . I'm not crazy about minimart or icm .
165thspc
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I would take whatever manufacture I could get as long as there were no stupid, glaring errors that I could not correct.
My Dad owned one of the last civi production 1941 Fords when I came on the scene in '49. He had done some custom painting on it and was very proud of it.
I wish I still had it today but he probably would not be very happy with me because my idea of custom paint would be O.D. and Stars + black-out lights!
My Dad owned one of the last civi production 1941 Fords when I came on the scene in '49. He had done some custom painting on it and was very proud of it.
I wish I still had it today but he probably would not be very happy with me because my idea of custom paint would be O.D. and Stars + black-out lights!
Bleusaille
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Posted: Monday, January 11, 2016 - 12:48 AM UTC
The Plus Model resin staff car is a 1938 Plymouth P6 Sedan...
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Plymouth_P6_sedan_1938_Schaffen-Diest_2012.jpg
Pascal
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Plymouth_P6_sedan_1938_Schaffen-Diest_2012.jpg
Pascal
ericadeane
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Posted: Monday, January 11, 2016 - 05:16 AM UTC
Did you ever notice that the Tamiya 1/48 kit is simply "US Staff Car"?
Why not identify its make? Probably the same reason why it (and others) haven't put one out in 1/35 -- royalty payments or licensing fees.
Why not identify its make? Probably the same reason why it (and others) haven't put one out in 1/35 -- royalty payments or licensing fees.
165thspc
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Posted: Monday, January 11, 2016 - 08:47 AM UTC
It often happens that manufacturer's ID's and product badges are left off model cars wherever possible, exactly to avoid having to pay for the use of the logo and/or copyright infringement.
VANDY1VX4
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Posted: Monday, January 11, 2016 - 10:02 AM UTC
I know a few folks that would love to see the Tamiya Ford staff car up scaled
SEDimmick
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Posted: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 - 01:13 AM UTC
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It often happens that manufacturer's ID's and product badges are left off model cars wherever possible, exactly to avoid having to pay for the use of the logo and/or copyright infringement.
I know Ford Motor Company doesn't charge for the use of its logo...but it does require a manufacture to get licensing rights through them to use their Name and the nameplate of the product. It normally just reviews the product to see if it upholds their values (or something like that) so they don't get sued, etc by someone who's kid chokes to death on a crapply made Ford Mustang toy
M4A1Sherman
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Posted: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 - 05:13 PM UTC
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Did you ever notice that the Tamiya 1/48 kit is simply "US Staff Car"?
Why not identify its make? Probably the same reason why it (and others) haven't put one out in 1/35 -- royalty payments or licensing fees.
Exactly that- TAMIYA probably didn't even bother to contact Ford as regards to using the "Ford" name in producing this kit. As I understand it, Ford is pretty lenient in that respect, but DOES require that the model company in question make a statement somewhere on the box and instructions, that the "FORD" name and trademark are used by permission expressly from Ford. Some makes, do charge royalties, which is why TAMIYA (quite correctly, as far as US Military vehicle designations are concerned) refers to their 1/35 Jeep as "US 1/4-ton 4x4 Truck" on the box and in the instructions...
wowcool
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Posted: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 - 07:25 PM UTC
Unlike scaling down, scaling up is hardly practiced in the industry anymore. I reckon the master for Tamiya's U.S. staff car was modeled for 1/48 and in that scale only. One does not simply have a 1/35 kit with all the chunky 1/48 details replicated.
As for licenses, Tamiya's recent jeep kits have been sold as an official Ford product so getting Ford's blessing to produce kits in the future wouldn't be much trouble for Tamiya.
As for licenses, Tamiya's recent jeep kits have been sold as an official Ford product so getting Ford's blessing to produce kits in the future wouldn't be much trouble for Tamiya.
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