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MENG's new M1 Tusk is on pre-order...
Hisham
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Posted: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 - 02:56 PM UTC
MikeyBugs95
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Posted: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 - 03:06 PM UTC
Note: The Abrams is now fitted with "TUSH" armor. Someone sat on their tuchis when error-checking. I'm definitely checking with my LHS to see if he ordered a few and then I'll see if u can't reserve my own with him.
Vodnik
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Posted: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 - 03:30 PM UTC
And the RFM kit is for preorder at Lucky Model for $65...
If these prices remain like that, I don't expect the RFM kit to sell well. Yes, I know that it is 3-in-1 and Meng kit is 2-in-1, but still, the difference is too big, considering that most modelers will build the A2 version anyway, so the third option doesn't really mean much. Of course the interior would change the situation, but my understanding is that this first RFM release will not include the interior - it is planned for the future kit.
To be honest I have a deja vu of the situation with Meng and Orochi Bradley kits... I just hope RFM will not turn out to be as simplified as the Orochi Bradley was.
The_musings_of_NBNoG
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Posted: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 - 03:48 PM UTC
I hope the guy who did the 5 kit M1 comparisons
will find it interesting enough to add the RFM and the Meng to the comparison.
It would be awesome!!
will find it interesting enough to add the RFM and the Meng to the comparison.
It would be awesome!!
The_musings_of_NBNoG
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Posted: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 - 03:51 PM UTC
OOpps just looked in my bookmarks...
the guy was Vodnik...
http://vodnik.net/pages/m1-comparison/m1comp1.htm
ahem - cough... probably the previous poster ???
the guy was Vodnik...
http://vodnik.net/pages/m1-comparison/m1comp1.htm
ahem - cough... probably the previous poster ???
Vodnik
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Posted: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 - 03:58 PM UTC
Quoted Text
OOpps just looked in my bookmarks...
the guy was Vodnik...
http://vodnik.net/pages/m1-comparison/m1comp1.htm
ahem - cough... probably the previous poster ???
Guilty as charged
But I don't think I will update the article. I'm no longer objective after I was deeply involved in the design of Dragon AIM and SEP kits and now I'm also in a much more limited way involved in the Meng kit design...
young_sven
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Posted: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 - 04:16 PM UTC
Until we see reviews of the real RFM kit, I am willing to keep an open mind.
The price differences are of course distinctive, but we have no information whatsoever about the RFM kit other than a few CAD drawings.
The Meng kit looks fabulous without a doubt (they certainly have marketed the entire development process much more than RFM), and the price is as usual great. Lots of plastic for the money!
Pavel, with all respect intended, a certain level of objectivity would still be appreciated for us that were not involved in the development these kits. You did a great comparison review of the (at the time) available Abrams kits some time ago, that to me was objective and extremely helpful.
Please don't let the fact that you were involved in some kits and not in others cloud your objectivity and judgement. I presume that there are other experts out there who are also involved in kit development.
The price differences are of course distinctive, but we have no information whatsoever about the RFM kit other than a few CAD drawings.
The Meng kit looks fabulous without a doubt (they certainly have marketed the entire development process much more than RFM), and the price is as usual great. Lots of plastic for the money!
Pavel, with all respect intended, a certain level of objectivity would still be appreciated for us that were not involved in the development these kits. You did a great comparison review of the (at the time) available Abrams kits some time ago, that to me was objective and extremely helpful.
Please don't let the fact that you were involved in some kits and not in others cloud your objectivity and judgement. I presume that there are other experts out there who are also involved in kit development.
The_musings_of_NBNoG
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Posted: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 - 04:21 PM UTC
You can always start the post with the disclaimer...
But I found your kit comparisons and those of a few others (along with some amazing builds on this site)
to be essential to my continued enthusiasm for model making.
IMO: We just don't stick pieces of plastic together, somehow we also derive pleasure from getting an understanding of the subject and how its portrayed, (in plastic). I love learning how fixed smoke grenade launchers have to have wires running to them, or how a 50cal needs a shell-bag. I love learning the positive differences.
the only bad comment I've had of a model ..
was that there were more funky track pieces than tank pieces in the kit (oh.. and bad instructions)
But I found your kit comparisons and those of a few others (along with some amazing builds on this site)
to be essential to my continued enthusiasm for model making.
IMO: We just don't stick pieces of plastic together, somehow we also derive pleasure from getting an understanding of the subject and how its portrayed, (in plastic). I love learning how fixed smoke grenade launchers have to have wires running to them, or how a 50cal needs a shell-bag. I love learning the positive differences.
the only bad comment I've had of a model ..
was that there were more funky track pieces than tank pieces in the kit (oh.. and bad instructions)
bill_c
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Posted: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 - 09:47 PM UTC
The RFM kit offers three variants, including the M1A1 for USMC fans (though I don't know if it includes the smoke launchers and others Gyreen modifications). Given the uncertainty about what's in the kit, I will hold off for now.
Because the Marines didn't get the SEP version (according to my information), I will likely go for the Meng kit. If it's anything like their Bradley, then it will be FANTASTIC. I'll build the USA version and finish my Dragon M1A1 with PSM Afghanistan conversion.
Because the Marines didn't get the SEP version (according to my information), I will likely go for the Meng kit. If it's anything like their Bradley, then it will be FANTASTIC. I'll build the USA version and finish my Dragon M1A1 with PSM Afghanistan conversion.
Tojo72
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Posted: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 - 10:24 PM UTC
Very good news,and nice price.Personally I don't care for all the M1 upgrades.I hope they come out with a simple Gulf War M1A1 AIM.I like the less cluttered look.
I loved their T-90 a great build.
I loved their T-90 a great build.
Tankrider
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Posted: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 - 10:56 PM UTC
Quoted Text
And the RFM kit is for preorder at Lucky Model for $65...
If these prices remain like that, I don't expect the RFM kit to sell well. Yes, I know that it is 3-in-1 and Meng kit is 2-in-1, but still, the difference is too big, considering that most modelers will build the A2 version anyway, so the third option doesn't really mean much. Of course the interior would change the situation, but my understanding is that this first RFM release will not include the interior - it is planned for the future kit.
To be honest I have a deja vu of the situation with Meng and Orochi Bradley kits... I just hope RFM will not turn out to be as simplified as the Orochi Bradley was.
I hope there is not a repeat of the M3A3 kits. The Orochi kit went together nicely but the detail pales to the Meng kit. It seems to me that the M1A2 TUSK is the modern equivelent of the 1/35th scale Tiger tank... Regardless of your involvement in the development of several of these kits, my hunch is that you can remain objective to give the positive and negative aspects of these new kits.
John
jwest21
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Posted: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 - 11:05 PM UTC
That's great news- I was thinking it would be a while until the Meng kit came out.
HeavyArty
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Posted: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 - 11:06 PM UTC
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The RFM kit offers three variants, including the M1A1 for USMC fans (though I don't know if it includes the smoke launchers and others Gyreen modifications)...
Because the Marines didn't get the SEP version (according to my information)...
Sort of. The USMC only has M1A1s (M1A1 HCs and M1A1 AIMs). The USMC has no M1A2s, so they didn't get the M1A2 nor the M1A2 SEP.
Vodnik
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Posted: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 - 11:12 PM UTC
Quoted Text
The RFM kit offers three variants, including the M1A1 for USMC fans (though I don't know if it includes the smoke launchers and others Gyreen modifications).
We don't even know if RFM kit can be built without TUSK armor OOB. I think it is unlikely. Marines did not use the full TUSK armor, so even if some USMC specific parts are included, you will not be able to build Jarhead tank anyway if only TUSK equipped tank can be built.
SpaceXhydro
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Posted: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 - 11:37 PM UTC
I wonder, If the Meng M1 tank is selling at this cheap, would the price of the tank become more expensive after the release? Because generally, Mengs models are quite expensive.
Hisham
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Posted: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 - 11:58 PM UTC
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Because generally, Mengs models are quite expensive.
Maybe in Europe and the States, but if you check the prices of MENG tank kits in HK since they started, they've been at around $43.. a couple of kits like the D9R and the Bradley were a little more.. and of course the Smerch, but the rest of the tank kits have been pretty much the same $43 range.
Hisham
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Posted: Thursday, January 14, 2016 - 12:16 AM UTC
Due to cost and the fact that it will probably sit in stash for sometime prior to being built, I would opt of the Rye Field Model, as it does provide options on what variant to build. And will more then likely be less expensive then the Meng kit.
Vodnik
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Posted: Thursday, January 14, 2016 - 12:31 AM UTC
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Due to cost and the fact that it will probably sit in stash for sometime prior to being built, I would opt of the Rye Field Model, as it does provide options on what variant to build. And will more then likely be less expensive then the Meng kit.
Both kits are already available for preorder and RFM one is $20 more expensive.
SgtRam
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Posted: Thursday, January 14, 2016 - 12:40 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Quoted TextDue to cost and the fact that it will probably sit in stash for sometime prior to being built, I would opt of the Rye Field Model, as it does provide options on what variant to build. And will more then likely be less expensive then the Meng kit.
Both kits are already available for preorder and RFM one is $20 more expensive.
Once they get to Canada, it will be the opposite, due to different distribution path for the two companies. From my understanding, the Meng HAS to go through an American distributor, but the RMF can come to Canada directly as there is a direct distributor here.
Hisham
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Posted: Thursday, January 14, 2016 - 12:53 AM UTC
That's why I always compare prices at the "origin" so to speak... outside of HK, it's the luck of the draw depending on where you live... for us here, we got no other option but to buy from HK 
Hisham
Hisham
SgtRam
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Posted: Thursday, January 14, 2016 - 12:55 AM UTC
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That's why I always compare prices at the "origin" so to speak... outside of HK, it's the luck of the draw depending on where you live... for us here, we got no other option but to buy from HK
Hisham
I was buying from HK, but our dollar has dipped so much, we are finding it cheaper to wait for the kits to hit Canada now. And ordering from the US now is not worth it at all, as shipping is usually more then the price of the kit, plus there are few in the US that have exclusive distribution rights, and that tends to increase the price too.
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