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normandy ww2 german field maps !
MATTTOMLIN
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Posted: Saturday, January 31, 2004 - 04:53 PM UTC
hi all, for my wirble wind dio i want to have some german troops looking at a map, are there any website where i can print from

thnx

matt
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Posted: Saturday, January 31, 2004 - 05:09 PM UTC
I bought a Dragon kit-"Panzergrenadiers-Panzer Lehr Division(Normandy 1944)" and one of the figures is looking at a map, but is tiny and not detailed.I think the better idea is to draw one...but that is just my opinion!
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Posted: Saturday, January 31, 2004 - 08:16 PM UTC
Matt-
I found a couple of sites that are U.S. version.
first is Library of Congress:
Library of Congress
click on military battles and campaigns
and also you can look on U.S. Army Center of Military History site:
U.S. Army Center of Military History
and do a search on there....I've got dialup connection on this computer and took too long to load, so didn't look around.
I did see DDay maps on library of congress site...has it broken out by a couple of different days in there and you can zoom in and out. Little bit of computer work with it and could turn out quite nice I suppose.
Not sure if that helped or not.
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Posted: Saturday, January 31, 2004 - 08:42 PM UTC
I wanted map of Kursk around 1943, so put it into Google and it came up with one, then saved it, and printed it out the size of a postage stamp using Adobe. Fold it and it looks like the real thing in miniature....try it!

Vinnie
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Posted: Saturday, January 31, 2004 - 08:43 PM UTC
Why don't you look in the Armorama Gallery, > Dioramas > Reference Images > Modelling references > Maps

There are 29 maps, I am sure something will work for you
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Posted: Saturday, January 31, 2004 - 09:19 PM UTC
All the maps you'll ever need for dioramas are on this site....listed by nationality and battle.....have fun!!!

http://www.military.com/Resources/ResourceFileView?file=worldwarii_europe_maps.htm
MATTTOMLIN
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Posted: Saturday, January 31, 2004 - 09:22 PM UTC
hi thnx guys you all have helped emmencly, i have drawn up a map myslef, just with some lines ( roads, ) river, etc, its looks pretty convinving, but after i finish this reply, i will have alook at the websites and armorama reference sites.

thnx all

matt
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Posted: Saturday, January 31, 2004 - 11:46 PM UTC
Indeed, the maps on armorama are good enough, if you resize them into 1/35 they'll suit any diorama. In scale a map of a part WWII normandy would probably look exactly the same as one of present day place in - let's say - israel or something. Of course you don't put a green map in a desert dio
Yesterday I used one of the ardennes maps, resized it to appr 0.75 at 1.25 cm (more or less), and printed it out. After a subtle bit of dirtying with a very little bit of brown pastel on my finger it looks damn fine.

The wwii europe maps link is a very useful link, but in my opinion these maps (I only took a look at 5 or so) hardly look like the maps soldiers would use on the field. But thanks for the info, I bookmarked it anyway
dioman
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Posted: Sunday, February 01, 2004 - 05:22 AM UTC

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but in my opinion these maps (I only took a look at 5 or so) hardly look like the maps soldiers would use on the field.



I don't know what maps you've seen from WWII but I own quite a few maps used during WWII and the maps are on that site.....how much more like WWII maps can you get???
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Posted: Sunday, February 01, 2004 - 08:55 AM UTC
Maybe Florre thinks they should be olive drab?

Vinnie
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Posted: Thursday, February 05, 2004 - 07:22 PM UTC
take a map (any map) make a scan then make it small with Photoshop, then print.
that all, cheap and easy
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HISTORICUS FORMA
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Posted: Thursday, February 05, 2004 - 08:06 PM UTC
a few examples of Normandy maps;



Florre
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Posted: Thursday, February 05, 2004 - 09:32 PM UTC

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but in my opinion these maps (I only took a look at 5 or so) hardly look like the maps soldiers would use on the field.



I don't know what maps you've seen from WWII but I own quite a few maps used during WWII and the maps are on that site.....how much more like WWII maps can you get???



I might be wrong, but to me the maps i took a look on are maps made up after the war, with all the movements and positions of units of the two opposing sides. So they're maps with indications of things already happened.
I don't know that much of the real life on the field, but I would say that soldiers also would carry much more detailed maps than these. I was thinking of what is called 'stafkaarten' in dutch, 'staff maps' in english?

Anyway, if you have wwii maps with you, and you say they look exactly the same, I cannot but believe you
Bye!

Edit : I took another look at the site, and the maps are 'West Point's Maps of World War II - European Theater', so i think they're used at west-point after (or some even during) the war to analyse battles of wwii. Of course I might be wrong, and i'd be happy if you corrected me then.

By the way, when I was taking a look in roadkills gallery at the rifle project, I saw these normandy maps, with 'top secret' on it and all. Have a look.
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Posted: Friday, February 06, 2004 - 05:18 PM UTC

These can be found here.

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Posted: Saturday, February 21, 2004 - 03:19 PM UTC
For maps printed on a scale thickness paper for 1/35th I use tracing paper available at art suppy stores - stationery stores - or even dollar stores. It is very, very thin. I securely tape a piece to a sheet of regular printing paper so it will pass through my printer ( by itself it is way too flimsy and will just wrinkle up and jam in the printer resulting in a big mess to un-jam), and print on it whatever map I want. This also works pretty good for flags. I will experiment someday to see if I can similarly print on thin material ( cotton or silk ) for even more realistic flags.
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