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Is tamiya NATO green to "dark"?
avenue
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Posted: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 - 03:57 PM UTC
or should I Lighten it up?said little bit of white?
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Posted: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 - 03:59 PM UTC
I would use buff or flesh to lighten it up , white might be a tad stark?

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Posted: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 - 04:09 PM UTC
Richard, I use something different. If you have the possibility to get it, try Revell No. 65 Broncegreen. I use that for my Bundeswehr vehicles. It's close to RAL standard, though I can't remember the number right now.

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Posted: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 - 04:45 PM UTC
The main problem of the Tamiya Nato green is that isn't enough olive green!
It looks more a modern russian green that a Nato green.

Another good option is Humbrol 86.
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Posted: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 - 06:39 PM UTC

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The main problem of the Tamiya Nato green is that isn't enough olive green!
It looks more a modern russian green that a Nato green.

Another good option is Humbrol 86.


Actually Tamiya NATO Green (acrylic at least) is a PERFECT match for the Federal Standard 595B color card of Green 383 34094 (well, at least some of the jars are, as my recent experiences with XF-62 show that Tamiya colors change a lot recently ).

In other words it is exact match for the green paint used by the US Army/Marines. But for scale effect it is indeed too dark and too stark. This is unfortunately typical for all colors - accurate for 1:1 does not necessarily look good on 1/35 model...

However if you look for NATO Green for Bundeswehr vehicle for example, then what you need is Bronzegrun RAL 6031 and indeed Tamiya paint isn't such a close match anymore. Indeed it should probably be a bit more olive.

Interestingly while acrylic XF-67 is a great match for FS34094, their spray TS-61 is closer to RAL6031!...

I have official full size color cards for both FS34094 and RAL6031, so above comments are based on my own observations.

One more thing: if you need NATO color for French vehicle, this is a whole different story - French use their own, significantly different colors...
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Posted: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 - 08:28 PM UTC

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or should I Lighten it up?said little bit of white?


Depends for what model do you want to use it.
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Posted: Wednesday, January 27, 2016 - 05:13 AM UTC
Yes, it is too dark. The "correct" color doesn't matter, in fact. You're making a model, not building an actual vehicle, so you're next stages involve washes, filters, and pigments. A lot of the colors are too dark as they are.

Adding white will pale the color, adding light green will lighten in.
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Posted: Wednesday, January 27, 2016 - 06:09 AM UTC
You should generally avoid adding white as it tends to make colors chalky. Buff, flesh, sand, or even a light grey are all good alternatives. Good luck.
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Posted: Wednesday, January 27, 2016 - 08:21 AM UTC
thanks to all for the tip!
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Posted: Saturday, January 30, 2016 - 10:13 PM UTC
Hi Pawel
You're right the Tamiya's Nato Green match a fresh paint!

But i compared a painted plastic sheet (with various green colours from enamels and acrylics) with many USED US ARMY vehicles.
For me the Tamiya's is a bit dark and not enough olive. OK the 86 Humbrol is suitable only for old painted vehicles and need to be darker.

Same goes with French "Nato" green, a fresh one is very light grass green tone but every used vehicles i turned around had a darker tones close to XF5.

Fresh paints on models or used ones every modeller can choose, you can have many tones for the same colour even for modern armies.
My two cents...
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