Hi,
Can anyone recommend the 3 best Tamiya paint colors that represent the German 3 tone camo color scheme using their product code? I have all the Vallejo colors but don't like they way they spray thru my Iwata. using X20A thinner Tamiya sprays like a dream thru the Iwata.
thanks in advance.
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Tamiya colors German 3 tone
GraniteCityPanzer
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Posted: Friday, February 05, 2016 - 11:49 PM UTC
russamotto
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Posted: Saturday, February 06, 2016 - 12:09 AM UTC
Tamiya call outs are dark yellow, red brown and olive green. You can vary the shade by mixing a bit. There should be several recommendations here.
Viper_msk
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Posted: Saturday, February 06, 2016 - 01:40 AM UTC
Well, it depends on what kind of German 3-color camo you're trying to paint - there were several different kinds of it. But the most known is dugkelgelb-rotbraun-olivgrün scheme.
Unfortunately, none of Tamiya's colors accurately represent these. You will have to mix.
Dunkelgelb is best with XF-3 + XF-57 + XF-15
NB: If you need Dunkelgelb nach Muster (which was used almost at the end of the War - in the spring of 1945), then Tamiya's XF-60 is nearly right.
Rotbraun = XF-7 + XF-15 + XF-57 + XF-64
Olivgrün = XF-2 + XF-4 + XF-5 + XF-57
Unfortunately, none of Tamiya's colors accurately represent these. You will have to mix.
Dunkelgelb is best with XF-3 + XF-57 + XF-15
NB: If you need Dunkelgelb nach Muster (which was used almost at the end of the War - in the spring of 1945), then Tamiya's XF-60 is nearly right.
Rotbraun = XF-7 + XF-15 + XF-57 + XF-64
Olivgrün = XF-2 + XF-4 + XF-5 + XF-57
GraniteCityPanzer
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Posted: Saturday, February 06, 2016 - 02:18 AM UTC
Phil,
thanks I will look into those colors. How does your olivgrun ratio compare to vehicles seen in the summer of 1943? I have a King Tiger that I want to 3 tone but also a Panzer 3-M that I want to give it just the olivgun scheme over dunkelgelb, no brown.
thanks I will look into those colors. How does your olivgrun ratio compare to vehicles seen in the summer of 1943? I have a King Tiger that I want to 3 tone but also a Panzer 3-M that I want to give it just the olivgun scheme over dunkelgelb, no brown.
Viper_msk
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Posted: Saturday, February 06, 2016 - 02:37 AM UTC
RAL: 6003 Olivgrun was pretty much the same since Germans started to use it to paint their tanks in 1943. 
It was Dunkelgelb that had at least 4 variations, but Olivgrun was always the same.
It was Dunkelgelb that had at least 4 variations, but Olivgrun was always the same.
Viper_msk
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Posted: Saturday, February 06, 2016 - 02:40 AM UTC
P.S. There's a quite comprehensive book called Panzer Colors - which is a collection of nearly all available information on German panzers' colors and insignia. Would be great if you'd get it.
Tojo72
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Posted: Saturday, February 06, 2016 - 03:02 AM UTC
XF-60 is good base,but if your going to filter or wash,it must be lightened with buff,deck tan,or white.
GraniteCityPanzer
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Posted: Saturday, February 06, 2016 - 10:51 PM UTC
Phil,
I do have Panzer Colors 2 by Bruce Culver. Bought way back in the 80's paid 8.95 for it. Always wished I got all 3 then, after a quick search on Amazon looks like they went up in price even considered a collectable book. New Hardcover going as much as 450.00.
I do have Panzer Colors 2 by Bruce Culver. Bought way back in the 80's paid 8.95 for it. Always wished I got all 3 then, after a quick search on Amazon looks like they went up in price even considered a collectable book. New Hardcover going as much as 450.00.
bots1141
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Posted: Saturday, February 06, 2016 - 11:10 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Well, it depends on what kind of German 3-color camo you're trying to paint - there were several different kinds of it. But the most known is dugkelgelb-rotbraun-olivgrün scheme.
Unfortunately, none of Tamiya's colors accurately represent these. You will have to mix.
Dunkelgelb is best with XF-3 + XF-57 + XF-15
NB: If you need Dunkelgelb nach Muster (which was used almost at the end of the War - in the spring of 1945), then Tamiya's XF-60 is nearly right.
Rotbraun = XF-7 + XF-15 + XF-57 + XF-64
Olivgrün = XF-2 + XF-4 + XF-5 + XF-57
What are the ratios used used?
retiredyank
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Posted: Sunday, February 07, 2016 - 12:25 AM UTC
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What are the ratios used used?
I was wondering the same.
RLlockie
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Posted: Sunday, February 07, 2016 - 03:04 AM UTC
Up to everyone what weight they put on this but the Panzer Colours books were written decades ago and research has continued since then. Jentz suggested ignoring all the text and artwork and just looking at the pictures. Personally I hold his opinions in high regard based on his record of primary source research, so I don't rely on any of the text in there. Hadn't realised that my copies were so valuable though!
11Bravo_C2
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Posted: Monday, February 08, 2016 - 05:44 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Quoted TextWell, it depends on what kind of German 3-color camo you're trying to paint - there were several different kinds of it. But the most known is dugkelgelb-rotbraun-olivgrün scheme.
Unfortunately, none of Tamiya's colors accurately represent these. You will have to mix.
Dunkelgelb is best with XF-3 + XF-57 + XF-15
NB: If you need Dunkelgelb nach Muster (which was used almost at the end of the War - in the spring of 1945), then Tamiya's XF-60 is nearly right.
Rotbraun = XF-7 + XF-15 + XF-57 + XF-64
Olivgrün = XF-2 + XF-4 + XF-5 + XF-57
What are the ratios used used?
Possibly 1:1 since it wasn't specified.
erichvon
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Posted: Monday, February 08, 2016 - 07:11 AM UTC
I've used XF-62 olive drab quite often for the green. As a tinned paste the green is almost black it's that dark so the shade varied from crew to crew if they painted it in the battalion rather than in a factory. Also it depended what they used to water it down, petrol, alcohol or water. Possibly your best bet is to test spray a few shades of green on a piece of plasti-card or white paper until you find the shade that you think looks right. That's what I do before the paint goes anywhere near the kit. There was also more than one shade of dunkelgelb used in factories depending on when it was painted just to complicate matters. It's a question of using the Mk 1 eyeball to decide which one you think captures the colours properly. These are three original tins of paint. Unfortunately they've not opened them for us to have a look at.
http://s232.photobucket.com/user/froglevelzcool/media/Actualww2germanpaintcans.jpg.html
http://s232.photobucket.com/user/froglevelzcool/media/Actualww2germanpaintcans.jpg.html
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