Hi guys, here's the latest addition to my tabletop gaming army off my work bench.
I used the Mig Afrika Korps colour set, it does look a bit light but I'm pretty happy with the result (any tips are very welcome as it's the way to improve)
My question to the think tank is, what colour scheme would the PzIIIN escorts have? Would it be much the same or are they likely to be a mix of other colours ?
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Magpie
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Posted: Saturday, February 06, 2016 - 06:03 AM UTC
panzerbob01
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Posted: Saturday, February 06, 2016 - 07:08 AM UTC
Scott;
Hi!
Probably, as you are talking late 1942+ for the Panzer III-N in north Africa, you should be using the later-version 1942+ general two-color "regulation North Africa scheme" of a base-coat in Braun RAL 8020, with a feathered-edge sprayed-on camo coat of GRAU 7027 - usually supposed to be about 1/3 of the total vehicle area in the grau (gray).
This scheme was usually applied at the shipping depot in Italy, or even at the vehicle assembly plant, so this would have been a neatly-done "factory paint job". As an aside, some of the vehicles painted in this scheme ended up going to southern Russia in mid-1943, as they were not ready to ship to Tunisia before the DAK campaign ended.
I would suggest looking around on this or other model sites to see what paints will best work to fit these colors... While I plan on doing a -III in this scheme myself, I have not yet identified the "best" paints to use... I vaguely favor ModelMaster enamels and Tamiya acryls - Tamiya probably does not make a close match, but I think that ModelMaster may make something close to one or maybe both RAL colors. Vallejo probably offers some close colors, too.
Cheers!
Bob
Hi!
Probably, as you are talking late 1942+ for the Panzer III-N in north Africa, you should be using the later-version 1942+ general two-color "regulation North Africa scheme" of a base-coat in Braun RAL 8020, with a feathered-edge sprayed-on camo coat of GRAU 7027 - usually supposed to be about 1/3 of the total vehicle area in the grau (gray).
This scheme was usually applied at the shipping depot in Italy, or even at the vehicle assembly plant, so this would have been a neatly-done "factory paint job". As an aside, some of the vehicles painted in this scheme ended up going to southern Russia in mid-1943, as they were not ready to ship to Tunisia before the DAK campaign ended.
I would suggest looking around on this or other model sites to see what paints will best work to fit these colors... While I plan on doing a -III in this scheme myself, I have not yet identified the "best" paints to use... I vaguely favor ModelMaster enamels and Tamiya acryls - Tamiya probably does not make a close match, but I think that ModelMaster may make something close to one or maybe both RAL colors. Vallejo probably offers some close colors, too.
Cheers!
Bob
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Posted: Saturday, February 06, 2016 - 08:13 AM UTC
Lifecolor offers the exact RAL colors, and it's great paint.
Magpie
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Posted: Saturday, February 06, 2016 - 08:58 AM UTC
Thanks guys. Those Mig colours are RAL 7027 and 8020 do they look ok?
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Posted: Saturday, February 06, 2016 - 10:27 PM UTC
It's tough to tell from that tiny photo, but they look right on.
Magpie
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Posted: Monday, February 08, 2016 - 05:19 PM UTC
Not sure why that pic was so tiny.
Here's a better one
Here's a better one
Homer0331
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Posted: Monday, February 08, 2016 - 08:56 PM UTC
Actually the Tigers and the Pz III N's from that battalion were painted RAL 8000 as a base color.
The Tigers had RAL 7008 as a disruptive pattern.
It is unclear from period photos if the Pz III's had a RAL 7008 pattern as well. Most shots indicate they did not.
The Tigers had RAL 7008 as a disruptive pattern.
It is unclear from period photos if the Pz III's had a RAL 7008 pattern as well. Most shots indicate they did not.
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Posted: Monday, February 08, 2016 - 09:17 PM UTC
Your Tiger is shown in the markings of the 7th Panzer Regiment, 10th Panzer Division in Tunisia. It has a disruptive camo scheme which could have been added when it converted from the 501st Heavy Tank Battalion. The 501st's Panzer III's were most likely painted in RAL 8000 and the Tigers of the first Company (which I believe 724 came from) could have been painted in a disruptive camo scheme as mentioned but they equally could have been been painted in either RAL 8000 or RAL7008. I am not willing as this point to buy into the revisionist view that the original Tigers in Tunisia had disruptive camo schemes. I have a number of photographs of the First company that strongly suggest a single paint scheme of either RAL 8000 or RAL 7008. Later Tigers like the Bovington Tiger were definitely painted in a disruptive scheme but they came after the 501 tigers.
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Posted: Tuesday, February 09, 2016 - 02:59 AM UTC
So pretty much anyone's guess as to what really happened by the looks.
All I was really concerned about is if those colours are accurate renditions of what they are claiming to be. Seems they are ?
All I was really concerned about is if those colours are accurate renditions of what they are claiming to be. Seems they are ?