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Wash Vs. Filter
Thundergrunt
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Posted: Sunday, February 14, 2016 - 01:34 AM UTC
Hi All

I am wanting to try some new techqiues, and having problems understaning wash vs filter. I see filter supposed to change the overall color, so how do I use Valejo was for yellow and Light vehicles for a Dunkelgelb PZ IV??
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Posted: Sunday, February 14, 2016 - 01:45 AM UTC
Well there is an overall wash which imparts a grimy or dusty look.Then there is a pinwash which is applied sparingly to panel lines and raised details.

Perhaps those Vallejo colors are designed for pinwashes on yellow vehicles to provide a nice contrast ?
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Posted: Sunday, February 14, 2016 - 02:34 AM UTC
yeah they are acrylic washes. If you have vallejo glazing medium VAL 70596 you can thin down their paints and washes even more. I would do like 10:1 Medium to wash color. Then you paint it on very thin for a filter.

Enamel filters work better in my opinion. Stuff like the ammo by mig filters work very well

here is a good explanation

http://migproductions.com/2010/11/washes-and-filters/
Vicious
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Posted: Sunday, February 14, 2016 - 04:31 AM UTC
Yep i quote Stephen also for me Oils or Enamels is better for filter,washes and other effect,easyer to work with,you can bland,move,add until is not dry and in this case you have hours not few minute ,if you dont like the effect you can wash with some White Spirit or similar end restart,a mistake with acrilycs is not easy to fix

...my 2 cents
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Posted: Sunday, February 14, 2016 - 04:46 AM UTC
I find the Vallejo Dark Yellow Wash too yellow -- used it on a test piece undiluted and it came out mustard like. As it is, it may be better used as a pin wash, otherwise it needs to be further diluted. Cheers

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Posted: Sunday, February 14, 2016 - 05:00 AM UTC
Ok so what to use for a PZIV in Dark yellow
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Posted: Sunday, February 14, 2016 - 10:37 AM UTC

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Ok so what to use for a PZIV in Dark yellow


I've used browns for my washes -- mixed Tamiya acrylic brown and black to get that raw umber shade. A bit of a pain though as the need to mix everytime, also getting it consistent. Recently moved to Vallejo Wash as it's now available to me locally, -- so am using their brown and dark brown wash concoctions. I thin it with distilled water using different ratios as I see fit. Cheers
stephenmodel
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Posted: Sunday, February 14, 2016 - 07:55 PM UTC
you dont find that the vallejo washes stain too much?

Are you gloss varnishing first?

- steve
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Posted: Sunday, February 14, 2016 - 09:18 PM UTC
Check the Ammo Blog and Youtube page. They have a lot of info.
Wash vs Filter. Is Bring out detail vs Harmonizing/Enriching the Base coats
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Posted: Monday, February 15, 2016 - 06:52 AM UTC

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you dont find that the vallejo washes stain too much?

Are you gloss varnishing first?

- steve


I put on a gloss coat first -- been my practice before putting on the washes. Doesn't this work for Vallejo Wash?
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Posted: Monday, February 22, 2016 - 05:38 AM UTC

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yeah they are acrylic washes. If you have vallejo glazing medium VAL 70596 you can thin down their paints and washes even more. I would do like 10:1 Medium to wash color. Then you paint it on very thin for a filter.

Enamel filters work better in my opinion. Stuff like the ammo by mig filters work very well

here is a good explanation

http://migproductions.com/2010/11/washes-and-filters/


Enamel washes and filters are definitely the way to go. Hand-brush them over satin varnishes and you're in business. Any mistakes are easily removed with a brush wet with white spirit.

Acrylic washes and filters dry quickly and aren't nearly as versatile as enamel ones. However, they're very home-friendly as they don't have fumes.
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