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Panther tracks
Armorsmith
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Posted: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 - 10:23 PM UTC
Should be Panther. Brain slower than fingers.

Is it possible to have a Panther A late, with early tracks?

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RLlockie
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Posted: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 - 10:44 PM UTC
Possible but not likely. They would fit but as tracks wear out more quickly than tanks, it's more likely to find an early vehicle with late tracks than vice versa.

However, conceivably an old set might have been buried by newer sets delivered later for a while and then uncovered and used by the assembly plant. Can't recall seeing it in a photo but that's obviously not conclusive.
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Posted: Thursday, February 18, 2016 - 02:49 AM UTC
I'm not an expert on what "late" is according to whatever manufacturer your kit is by... Does it have or are you going to add Zimmerit?

So I'm looking at pages 65-67 of Tom Jentz's Germany's Panther Tank, it's a Dec 1943 ausf A, number 244 of Panzer Regiment 4 with Zimmerit; interestingly the tracks look like they had chevron ice cleats but that they have more or less all worn off, so much so that you can only see one or two traces of them on the very good quality straight on photo of the tracks.

The tracks do look knackered, presumably from driving on hard roads. Why is it that you want to do this combination?

Btw, Jentz states that after the introduction of the cleated tracks in Sept 43, the "original track design was infrequently used as a substitute" - so he doesn't say "never".
Armorsmith
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Posted: Friday, February 19, 2016 - 01:01 AM UTC
The kit is the Dragon Panther A late (Normandy according to the box. It does have zimmerit. Have a set of ModelKasten tracks that I would like to use but they are labeled as early.

Thanks.
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Posted: Friday, February 19, 2016 - 03:23 AM UTC
The cleats is what makes tracks late:



But I think these are late tracks where the cleats have worn off:





Look up some photos and I think you'll see late war Panthers without visible cleats on the tracks because they've worn away. They're on the part of the track in contact with the ground, and I think it can be seen that this part of the track looks worn. Maybe you could treat your tracks to have that appearance, and even add some small remnants of cleats in a few places.
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Posted: Friday, February 19, 2016 - 04:30 AM UTC
The early tracks also had notches across the grouser bars, so look different to the later type with worn ice cleats. Of course you could fill the notches on each link but it's quite a lot of tedious work and it sounds much easier to me to get hold of some later tracks. Bronco makes a set which are pretty dimensionally sound and not expensive (around GBP10)..
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Posted: Friday, February 19, 2016 - 04:34 AM UTC
Thank for the responses. Found someone willing to trade my early for his late tracks. Just trying to use what I have as I am transitioning away from building WWII German to more modern stuff. You can only build so many German AFVs and after 45 years I think I've reached my saturation point.
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Posted: Friday, February 19, 2016 - 08:17 AM UTC
Those workable bronco tracks need to be glued in my opinion. They don't stay together well.
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