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Posted: Thursday, February 18, 2016 - 04:29 AM UTC
Looks like Dragon is bringing us a SU-76i without the need for a conversion. From what I can tell, is it will use parts from existing kit parts, but I would think the upper hull would be new molds.

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Posted: Thursday, February 18, 2016 - 04:42 AM UTC
Well, finally something interesting from Dragon. Their excellent Pz III chassis with a new-tooled superstructure...how could Dragon screw this one up?
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Posted: Thursday, February 18, 2016 - 04:43 AM UTC
I'm sure this limited production, rare vehicle will be infinitely more researched and accurate than their recent efforts at American Cold War MBT's... Sorry, had to get that out of the way in the 3rd post.



If I was still into WWII models I bet I would be really excited for this one. Really interesting vehicle.
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Posted: Thursday, February 18, 2016 - 04:44 AM UTC

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...how could Dragon screw this one up?



You had to jinx it.......
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Posted: Thursday, February 18, 2016 - 05:59 AM UTC
I'll have to get this, been wanting a good kit of the tank for ages,
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Posted: Thursday, February 18, 2016 - 08:56 AM UTC
I will wait to see the reviews first before I decide if I will be buying this kit.
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Posted: Thursday, February 18, 2016 - 11:57 AM UTC

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Well, finally something interesting from Dragon. Their excellent Pz III chassis with a new-tooled superstructure...how could Dragon screw this one up?



"How could DRAGON screw this one up"? By releasing this kit with "DS" Tracks, (which they will) or, Heaven Forbid, giving the job of the "new" superstructure to the BLACK PLAGUE crew. (which they probably won't, but...)

How many of these did the Germans actually convert from more or less "standard" Pz.IIIs?
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Posted: Thursday, February 18, 2016 - 12:01 PM UTC

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They can do this rare vehicle but cannot do some pretty standard vehciles, like stugs iii a-f or a hanomag a-b?



Agree. How about an all-new US M3/M3A1 Light Stuart/Honey-series of kits? Or the M3 Lee/Grant that they never bothered to follow through on?

Gee, a Pz.III with a Russian 7.6cm AT gun...

OH! How innovative!!! I'm under-whelmed...
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Posted: Thursday, February 18, 2016 - 12:04 PM UTC

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I'm sure this limited production, rare vehicle will be infinitely more researched and accurate than their recent efforts at American Cold War MBT's... Sorry, had to get that out of the way in the 3rd post.



If I was still into WWII models I bet I would be really excited for this one. Really interesting vehicle.



I HAVE to agree with your first sentence- If there's a way to botch-up ANY US vehicle, from any time-period, DRAGON will find a way to do it. BLACK PLAGUE..? I won't even go there...
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Posted: Thursday, February 18, 2016 - 12:12 PM UTC

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How many of these did the Germans actually convert from more or less "standard" Pz.IIIs?



Zero. They were built by the Russians on the chassis of panzer IIIs captured in battle
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Posted: Thursday, February 18, 2016 - 01:23 PM UTC

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They can do this rare vehicle but cannot do some pretty standard vehciles, like stugs iii a-f or a hanomag a-b?



FYI, No such thing as a 'Hanomag'. I think what you're referring to is the SdKfz 251 Series?

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Posted: Thursday, February 18, 2016 - 01:47 PM UTC
Depending on the source several hundred were manufactured by the Russians. If you don't have anything nice to say... or constructive...
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Posted: Thursday, February 18, 2016 - 02:13 PM UTC

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They can do this rare vehicle but cannot do some pretty standard vehciles, like stugs iii a-f or a hanomag a-b?




How far have we gone? Now people complain about having some exotic vehicle, instead of complaining about yet another Tiger I or Sherman kit... We used to be upset that the plastic model making companies were always taking the safe, easy options (the 50th Tiger and T-34) instead of something exciting... It did keep a lot of resin manufacturers in business, though.
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Posted: Thursday, February 18, 2016 - 03:50 PM UTC
Good news. Who are some of his e-mail or other contact? I Founded only [email protected] Judging by the picture, a future model of the gun the wrong location. It is higher. If you look at archival photos, the joint line of the conning tower and the lower line of the bolts on the gun must be the same (almost) Dragon did not, and form of armor protection will also be wrong

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Posted: Thursday, February 18, 2016 - 04:27 PM UTC
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Posted: Thursday, February 18, 2016 - 04:35 PM UTC
Good to know that some things just don't change. DML announces a pretty interesting and unusual subject, so the assumption is that a) They'll screw it up or b) They should be doing vehicles according to whatever wishlist is current....

Now, the criticism and skepticism of U.S./Allied vehicles is somewhat valid - they HAVE made a dog's breakfast of too many subjects. Unfortunately (and i've been guilty of this as well)DML do seem to get the lion's share of attacks whereas others (Italeri and Tamiya spring to mind)do seem, frequently, to get away scot-free when they present yet another ancient mould with a few bits of PE thrown in.

DML do tend, IMO, to get a bit singled-out for criticism which coud equally be laid at other manufacturers's doors?

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Posted: Thursday, February 18, 2016 - 05:05 PM UTC

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Looks like Dragon is bringing us a SU-76i without the need for a conversion. From what I can tell, is it will use parts from existing kit parts, but I would think the upper hull would be new molds.




That's awesome!! I personally requested this from Dragon about 4 mths ago through email with one of their people. They do listen. But it was a no brainer, I just pointed out that noone has one on the market. I mentioned another vehicle as well ..I'll have to dig up that email. They responded pretty quickly . I sent them links to where there is actually a "real" one on display, so I figure they will send a design team there.
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Posted: Thursday, February 18, 2016 - 06:15 PM UTC
Thanks for the constructive criticism Serzh. Hopefully the kit can be adjusted during building or even better fixed before release. Will be nice to see this kit in styrene.
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Posted: Thursday, February 18, 2016 - 06:16 PM UTC
Very cool! I have always liked the su-76i. I have the old MB models resin conversion, but have never worked on it yet. I will be very interested to see how this one turns out.

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Posted: Thursday, February 18, 2016 - 06:27 PM UTC

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Good news. Who are some of his e-mail or other contact? I Founded only [email protected] Judging by the picture, a future model of the gun the wrong location. It is higher. If you look at archival photos, the joint line of the conning tower and the lower line of the bolts on the gun must be the same (almost) Dragon did not, and form of armor protection will also be wrong



I am going to buy and build this kit, and fortunately for me I won't be placing images of the actual vehicle beside it showing the gun is looks to be out of position by a few inches. It looks like a SU-76i on my shelf, so it must be for me. And I HIGHLY doubt anyone viewing on my shelf would notice the gun is off by a few scale inches.

But thanks for the information.
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Posted: Thursday, February 18, 2016 - 06:31 PM UTC

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They can do this rare vehicle but cannot do some pretty standard vehciles, like stugs iii a-f or a hanomag a-b?



FYI, No such thing as a 'Hanomag'. I think what you're referring to is the SdKfz 251 Series?




FYI- Yes, there is...

The "HANOMAG" name actually comes from the German contraction of "Hannover Maschinenfabrik AG" (Aktien Gesellschaft, which means: a shared stock company, or "corporation"), which was the name of the company that built the Sd.Kfz.251-series of half-tracks. "Hanomag" was the name that was quite commonly used when referring to these vehicles, much like we use "Jimmy" when referring to the GMC CCKW-352 and -353 6 x 6 2.5-ton series of vehicles of world-renown...
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Posted: Thursday, February 18, 2016 - 06:32 PM UTC
If it's accurate (gun in right position and other details) I'll buy the kit, if not I wont.

Plan B is getting a Panzer III cheap at a show and ordering one of the Komplekt Zip conversions which seem to be accurate (sadly all other SU-76(i) conversions on the market seem to be a bit off). The attraction of plan B is that Komplekt Zip do the version with commander's cupola which is the most interesting looking one IMVHO.

Cheers,

Christophe
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Posted: Thursday, February 18, 2016 - 06:38 PM UTC

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How many of these did the Germans actually convert from more or less "standard" Pz.IIIs?



Zero. They were built by the Russians on the chassis of panzer IIIs captured in battle



Thanks for enlightening me, not that I'm going to beat my chest with guilt over it.

Nevertheless, it's just another "NEW!!!" vehicle for DRAGON to profit with by using their Pz.III Chassis and Upper/Lower Hull, yet again... WHAT! No "NEW!!!" Tiger I?
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Posted: Thursday, February 18, 2016 - 06:52 PM UTC
April pre-order from Dragon USA Online about $68, I assume MSRP will be higher...

http://www.dragonusaonline.com/item_detail.aspx?ItemCode=DRA6838

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Christophe
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