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TAM Tank from Argentina
tanknick22
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Posted: Friday, February 19, 2016 - 05:37 PM UTC
how difficult would it be to Build the TAM tank from Argentina using a Tamiya or Revell Germany Marder 1A1 and a Leopard 1A3/A4 turret
tankmodeler
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Posted: Friday, February 19, 2016 - 08:44 PM UTC
How good are your scratchbuilding skills? 
The upper hull would be brand new and I seem to remember that the turret is somewhat different than the Leo 1A4 it looks like.
Not sure the overall length of the lower hull is the same or modified.
Paul
The upper hull would be brand new and I seem to remember that the turret is somewhat different than the Leo 1A4 it looks like.
Not sure the overall length of the lower hull is the same or modified.
Paul
GeraldOwens
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Posted: Friday, February 19, 2016 - 10:59 PM UTC
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how difficult would it be to Build the TAM tank from Argentina using a Tamiya or Revell Germany Marder 1A1 and a Leopard 1A3/A4 turret
I've only ever seen one build article in the last thirty years, and it was a very involved scratch build. Very little of the Marder kit was used. Perhaps one of our Argentinian readers can point you to more detailed information.
hugohuertas
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Posted: Friday, February 19, 2016 - 11:18 PM UTC
It should be a project for an experienced scratch-builder.
As pointed before, the basic Marder kit will only provide the lower hull, wheels, tracks -not the best anyway- and a few bits.
Upper hull will need a lot of work to be heightened and rearranged to accomodate the larger turret.
The turret itself is completely different to the Leopard one, also, but the commander's hatch can do the part.
And you will need to find a couple of Mag 7.62 machine guns. And the 105mm main gun, obviously.
Not a simple project at all.
As pointed before, the basic Marder kit will only provide the lower hull, wheels, tracks -not the best anyway- and a few bits.
Upper hull will need a lot of work to be heightened and rearranged to accomodate the larger turret.
The turret itself is completely different to the Leopard one, also, but the commander's hatch can do the part.
And you will need to find a couple of Mag 7.62 machine guns. And the 105mm main gun, obviously.
Not a simple project at all.
tanknick22
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Posted: Saturday, February 20, 2016 - 02:45 AM UTC
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How good are your scratchbuilding skills?
The upper hull would be brand new and I seem to remember that the turret is somewhat different than the Leo 1A4 it looks like.
Not sure the overall length of the lower hull is the same or modified.
Paul
I noticed the upper hull seems a little lower than the marder I was thinking I could bring it down right behind the drivers hatch and level it out horizonally from that point
hugohuertas
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Posted: Saturday, February 20, 2016 - 05:30 AM UTC
Of course you should be able.
But the main questions are: do you have experience in scratchbuilding not only small parts but entire wide áreas, and do you have enough reference detailed pictures to start from?
Unless you'll feel happy with a model that just resembles the TAM...
Pictures of the TAM from above are scarce and not easy to find.
But the main questions are: do you have experience in scratchbuilding not only small parts but entire wide áreas, and do you have enough reference detailed pictures to start from?
Unless you'll feel happy with a model that just resembles the TAM...
Pictures of the TAM from above are scarce and not easy to find.
tanknick22
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Posted: Saturday, February 20, 2016 - 08:43 AM UTC
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Of course you should be able.
But the main questions are: do you have experience in scratchbuilding not only small parts but entire wide áreas, and do you have enough reference detailed pictures to start from?
Unless you'll feel happy with a model that just resembles the TAM...
Pictures of the TAM from above are scarce and not easy to find.
I have completly redone a abrams to build the first pilot model built by chrysler is that enough experience?
GeraldOwens
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Posted: Saturday, February 20, 2016 - 09:49 AM UTC
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Quoted TextOf course you should be able.
But the main questions are: do you have experience in scratchbuilding not only small parts but entire wide áreas, and do you have enough reference detailed pictures to start from?
Unless you'll feel happy with a model that just resembles the TAM...
Pictures of the TAM from above are scarce and not easy to find.
I have completly redone a abrams to build the first pilot model built by chrysler is that enough experience?
Well, here is a link to set of plans. Give it a shot! Happy modeling!
http://www.the-blueprints.com/blueprints/tanks/tanks-t/6727/view/tanque_argentino_medio/
hugohuertas
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Posted: Saturday, February 20, 2016 - 04:41 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Quoted TextOf course you should be able.
But the main questions are: do you have experience in scratchbuilding not only small parts but entire wide áreas, and do you have enough reference detailed pictures to start from?
Unless you'll feel happy with a model that just resembles the TAM...
Pictures of the TAM from above are scarce and not easy to find.
I have completly redone a abrams to build the first pilot model built by chrysler is that enough experience?
Perhaps.
Build the TAM so we all will see.
;)
C_JACQUEMONT
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Posted: Saturday, February 20, 2016 - 08:10 PM UTC
Hugo, did you find anything related to my friend's TAM queries?
Sorry to hijack the thread...
Cheers,
Christophe
Sorry to hijack the thread...
Cheers,
Christophe
hugohuertas
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Posted: Saturday, February 20, 2016 - 08:27 PM UTC
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Hugo, did you find anything related to my friend's TAM queries?
Sorry to hijack the thread...
Cheers,
Christophe
Still looking for those images, Christophe.
A friend has told me that he might have some pics, but he didn't confirm me yet.
I'll give him a calle and let you know
C_JACQUEMONT
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Posted: Saturday, February 20, 2016 - 10:46 PM UTC
Thanks!
I bought a TAM book recently but it's an older book and it covers early variants only.
Cheers,
Christophe
I bought a TAM book recently but it's an older book and it covers early variants only.
Cheers,
Christophe
frank01
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Posted: Sunday, February 21, 2016 - 04:24 AM UTC
Haven't tankograd done a special on the TAM 
C_JACQUEMONT
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Posted: Sunday, February 21, 2016 - 05:29 AM UTC
Yes I have that one as well. But to do a specific variant like the ARV you need more pics and scale drawings would be a big plus/
Cheers,
Christophe
Cheers,
Christophe
TopSmith
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Posted: Sunday, February 21, 2016 - 06:57 AM UTC
OK, I have no knowledge of this vehicle. How good is it?
I know the armor protection is not what a tank is. Is it Reconnaissance or infantry support?
I know the armor protection is not what a tank is. Is it Reconnaissance or infantry support?
jon_a_its
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Posted: Sunday, February 21, 2016 - 02:36 PM UTC
I might be wrong (often) but Hasn't someone announced a kit/resin recently?
hugohuertas
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Posted: Sunday, February 21, 2016 - 06:44 PM UTC
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OK, I have no knowledge of this vehicle. How good is it?
I know the armor protection is not what a tank is. Is it Reconnaissance or infantry support?
The TAM family is the result of a program started diring the 70s, to develop a local produces tank.
The basic concept was to get a fast vehicle with armor capable to resist small arms' direct fire and artillery shrapnels.
The idea behind that was that a direct impact from a 105mm gun -or bigger- or the arising ATGM's will mean a sure kill, so the vehicle's main protection will be its speed and maneuverability...
Thus, the light armor and the decission to base the design on the German Marder IFV.
It was supposed that an entire family was to be built around a common basic vehicle, including an IFV, a command vehicle, a mortar carrier, a SP howitzer carrying a 155mm gun, a recovery vehicle, and múltiple rocket launcher...
Of course, the "evil" budget restrains limited the actual production to just the tank and the IFV (named VCTP), and a few prototypes of the others.
TopSmith
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Posted: Monday, February 22, 2016 - 07:18 AM UTC
I see that Armaq produced a 1/35th TAM kit in 2008. I have no idea as to the quality of the kit itself.
flugwuzzi
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Posted: Monday, February 22, 2016 - 02:48 PM UTC
Here are some armaq Kit images http://f3.webmart.de/f.cfm?id=2078181&r=threadview&t=3883599&pg=1
You could contact Didi Berlage at http://didi-berlage.blogspot.co.at/p/startseite-uber-mich.html ... he is a nice guy did a lot of TAM tanks and Marder conversions, has excellent knowledge on this subject.
Cheers
Walter
You could contact Didi Berlage at http://didi-berlage.blogspot.co.at/p/startseite-uber-mich.html ... he is a nice guy did a lot of TAM tanks and Marder conversions, has excellent knowledge on this subject.
Cheers
Walter
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