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1/48 T29 heavy tank
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Posted: Saturday, April 09, 2016 - 06:37 AM UTC
Well... There's a 1/48 T29 out there. Only problem is that it's 3D printed and EXPENSIVE. Like $169 expensive. The people who are selling it are a branch of Wargaming, the same people who give you World of Tanks, Warships, etc.

Frankly it doesn't look too bad.

https://www.shapeways.com/product/2QVFFS6R9/1-48-t29-tank-from-world-of-tanks-game?li=more-from-shop&optionId=40312554

They also put out some more models including a KV-1S, M18 Super Hellcat and a Rhm-Borsig Waffentrager from the game. They look pretty interesting to be honest but they are very expensive.

I am in no way, shape or form an employee of Wargaming nor do I have any connections to this model and I do not benefit from posting this at all. This just surprised me and I thought I'd pass this along.
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Posted: Saturday, April 09, 2016 - 07:02 AM UTC
nice....BUT....169$$$$$$!!!!.... .....
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Posted: Saturday, April 09, 2016 - 07:14 AM UTC

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nice....BUT....169$$$$$$!!!!.... .....



Well it is on a nice WOT display plinth.
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Posted: Saturday, April 09, 2016 - 07:17 AM UTC

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nice....BUT....169$$$$$$!!!!.... .....



Well it is on a nice WOT display plinth.



The stand is a separate product for an extra £49.
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Posted: Saturday, April 09, 2016 - 07:21 AM UTC
Well... 3D printing large items is very expensive. And it's Wargaming... they usually overprice whatever they sell. If $169 is a bit too rich for you, I recently saw a model of the Brandenburg Gate in 1/144 for an extraordinarily high amount: $490 for the main gate and $365 for the two side structures. On top of those models, the price gets even wackier. The same seller also offers a model combining the different pieces. You'd think that the total price for that one model would simply be $855. Well you'd be wrong. The price for the entire Brandenburg gate model? $1,000,000.
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Posted: Saturday, April 09, 2016 - 07:23 AM UTC
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The stand is a separate product for an extra £49.



Now I feel dirty ......
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Posted: Saturday, April 09, 2016 - 07:36 AM UTC

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nice....BUT....169$$$$$$!!!!.... .....



Well it is on a nice WOT display plinth.



The stand is a separate product for an extra £49.



Hey, it's a very nice plinth. It's a uuge plinth. Plinths don't come much uuger or nicer.
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Posted: Saturday, April 09, 2016 - 07:48 AM UTC
All jokes aside as Michael says that's a big bit of resin and Shapeways is expensive anyway. I wanted this in 28mm and the price doubles in size for a print, $20 at 15mm, $40 at 20mm and $80+ for 28mm. And the Semple is a tad smaller than the T29 ....


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Posted: Saturday, April 09, 2016 - 08:07 AM UTC
I got my T-29/34/whatever in 1:100. Have not regretted it.
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Posted: Saturday, April 09, 2016 - 09:06 AM UTC

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All jokes aside as Michael says that's a big bit of resin and Shapeways is expensive anyway. I wanted this in 28mm and the price doubles in size for a print, $20 at 15mm, $40 at 20mm and $80+ for 28mm. And the Semple is a tad smaller than the T29 ....




Also remember that they charge for machine space as well as amount of material. Everything is measured in cubic centimeters. As the overall dimensions increase, even if just by, say, 1 cm, that's still 1cm added to the height, length and width so the volume of that cube increase by a large amount.

So lets say I have a box that's 3cm cubed, 3x3x3. Lets do the math to find the volume. The area of one side of that cube is 3x3=9 square cm. To find the volume it's area cubed. So 9x9x9 which is 729 cubic centimeters. Now lets increase the dimensions by 1 cm. 4x4=16 square cm. 16x16x16=4,096 cubic centimeters. A dimensional increase of just 1 cm has increased the total volume of a 3x3x3 cube by a factor of approximately 5.62. Now in terms of machining and 3D printing, that is a lot of material! One way to cut down on costs is to make as many parts as possible hollow so the material cost is low. If the part is large then the machine space costs will still be rather high, though.

Now to test this I quickly made a couple cubes, 1 3x3x3 and another 4x4x4. To print the solid 4x4x4 cube, it would cost $35.02. The price of the 3x3x3 solid is $15.88. So yes, it is expensive, but it's also based on machine space.
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Posted: Saturday, April 09, 2016 - 09:14 AM UTC
Yup agree totally, my brothers engineering lab has a pretty good printer and they have a new even more swisho one on order. If I could model in 3D we'd be in as we would only pay cost plus .... having to pay the external charge out rate (of which resin is only a part) is another matter though.

cheers
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Posted: Saturday, April 09, 2016 - 09:00 PM UTC
1/48? Wargaming? No thanks, I'll wait for Trumpeter's/Merit/whatever to come out.
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Posted: Sunday, April 10, 2016 - 02:33 AM UTC
Well to be fair, they just took the game model and increased the polygon count to have it printed. So it is highly accurate... To the game model.
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Posted: Sunday, April 10, 2016 - 02:38 AM UTC

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1/48? Wargaming? No thanks, I'll wait for Trumpeter's/Merit/whatever to come out.



Very constructive .....
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Posted: Sunday, April 10, 2016 - 02:57 AM UTC

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All jokes aside as Michael says that's a big bit of resin and Shapeways is expensive anyway. I wanted this in 28mm and the price doubles in size for a print, $20 at 15mm, $40 at 20mm and $80+ for 28mm. And the Semple is a tad smaller than the T29 ....





WoW...the little horrible Kiwi tank is a beauty!!...80 bucks is still a lot of $$$ for a 28mm but for such unusual piece the shopaholic is in me can fall in the trap...
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Posted: Sunday, April 10, 2016 - 03:08 AM UTC

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All jokes aside as Michael says that's a big bit of resin and Shapeways is expensive anyway. I wanted this in 28mm and the price doubles in size for a print, $20 at 15mm, $40 at 20mm and $80+ for 28mm. And the Semple is a tad smaller than the T29 ....





WoW...the little horrible Kiwi tank is a beauty!!...80 bucks is still a lot of $$$ for a 28mm but for such unusual piece the shopaholic is in me can fall in the trap...



That was my problem, it kept whispering "buy me".

For the price I'd like to see someone else's purchase though, it's a lot of money only to find the print is too rough when scaled to be salvaged, even us wargamers have standards ....
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Posted: Sunday, April 10, 2016 - 03:44 AM UTC
If you're scaling up you will have to add missing details, if there are any. Scaling up only increases the size, it doesn't add detail. The quality of the part will remain generally the same as long as it's printed in the same material as the 3D model doesn't control print quality. To my eyes the detail is pretty much there. Then again I've never really seen the details on that tank so I wouldn't know if anything is missing anyway.
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Posted: Sunday, April 10, 2016 - 09:45 PM UTC

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So lets say I have a box that's 3cm cubed, 3x3x3. Lets do the math to find the volume. The area of one side of that cube is 3x3=9 square cm. To find the volume it's area cubed. So 9x9x9 which is 729 cubic centimeters. Now lets increase the dimensions by 1 cm. 4x4=16 square cm. 16x16x16=4,096 cubic centimeters. A dimensional increase of just 1 cm has increased the total volume of a 3x3x3 cube by a factor of approximately 5.62.



Mike,

I agree with your premise, but your math is incorrect. Volume is length x width x height (not area cubed), so the volume of a 3x3x3 cube is 27 cubic cm. The volume of a 4x4x4 cube is 64 cubic cm. The factor between 3 cubed and 4 cubed is 64/27 = 2.37.

Which is very close to the price difference between the two samples you priced 35.02/15.88 = 2.21

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Posted: Sunday, April 10, 2016 - 11:51 PM UTC
Huh... No wonder I got different numbers when uploading... Well it was late so I more than likely a bit confused as well but all that aside, the machine space is all volume based which increases by a large factor when scaling up so naturally the price is going to up very quickly as well.

But to be fair, when dealing with cubes the volume is just length cubed
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Posted: Monday, April 11, 2016 - 12:06 AM UTC
Well, WG gets their money wherever they can get it from I myself just bought the Cromwell Models 1/72 T29...

To be honest, as big as this tank is I would not be able to put it anywhere in a larger scale.
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Posted: Monday, April 11, 2016 - 01:22 AM UTC
I'm going to have to make room too for when Trumpeter releases their kits. Over 1 foot long in 35 scale... Wow... That is a very big tank.. And 4 17/64 inched wide... I wonder how far along on the project the engineers at Trumpeter/Hobbyboss/Merit are...
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Posted: Monday, April 11, 2016 - 10:01 AM UTC
For $169 does it glow in the dark at least?
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