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Filtering with Zimmerit
MattEa
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Posted: Friday, April 22, 2016 - 10:39 PM UTC
This will be my first attempt at applying filters to a model, I have read up on them pretty extensively online and feel I understand how to make and apply one. My only question is should I do anything different since my model has zimmerit on it?
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Posted: Saturday, April 23, 2016 - 12:02 AM UTC
Go with the zimm instead of across it,and don't let it accumulate in the ridges,it's not a wash,just for tinting .
MattEa
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Posted: Saturday, April 23, 2016 - 02:55 AM UTC
Thank you for the reply, my decals are already on, is it okay to apply the filter over them or should i go around them?
Tojo72
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Posted: Saturday, April 23, 2016 - 02:59 AM UTC
Put a clear coat to protect them,then filter and weather them so they blend in .
MattEa
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Posted: Saturday, April 23, 2016 - 03:00 AM UTC
Awesome thanks, clear coat is already on and has cured for about 3 days

Also is it okay to make my filter with isopropyl alcohol or will this react with the Future gloss coat?
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Posted: Saturday, April 23, 2016 - 03:19 AM UTC
I believe future is impervious to everthing,perhaps someone else would know for sure.
MattEa
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Posted: Saturday, April 23, 2016 - 03:56 AM UTC
I applied my filter but over did it in some spots, is there anyway to remove it and try again?
Tojo72
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Posted: Saturday, April 23, 2016 - 04:08 AM UTC
You said your filter was made with alcohol,if so try to remove it with a brush dampened with alchohol.

Filtering is best done with enamels or oils,they don't dry as fast and can be adjusted easier.
MattEa
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Posted: Tuesday, May 03, 2016 - 07:21 AM UTC
Bringing this topic back alive, I am going to try a yellow ochre filter in artist oil in a couple days. How can I avoid the filter filling in the ridges in the zimmerit?
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Posted: Tuesday, May 03, 2016 - 09:32 AM UTC
Dont soak to much the brush and go in the direction of the Zimmerit,if still fill the ridges after try to go trough again with a clean dry brush to remove the filter where you need
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Posted: Monday, May 23, 2016 - 10:46 AM UTC
Use a wide soft brush for filters. Squeeze out most of the filter solution and apply quickly and evenly. Try to avoid going over the same area twice, at least until after the filter has dried. Unlike a wash, a filter should be no more than 5% pigment, or color, to 95% solvent. If one filter coat isn't enough, then apply another when dry.
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Posted: Monday, May 23, 2016 - 11:06 AM UTC

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This will be my first attempt at applying filters to a model, I have read up on them pretty extensively online and feel I understand how to make and apply one. My only question is should I do anything different since my model has zimmerit on it?


If I may ask, why are you using a filter? Is your color wrong? Is there a specific tint you are going for? It seems some people apply filters because it's listed as one of the steps in finishing a model instead of a specific purpose.
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Posted: Monday, May 23, 2016 - 11:30 AM UTC
Note also that filters work better on a matt surface. The Future coat is anything but matt...
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Posted: Monday, May 23, 2016 - 07:54 PM UTC

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If I may ask, why are you using a filter? Is your color wrong? Is there a specific tint you are going for? It seems some people apply filters because it's listed as one of the steps in finishing a model instead of a specific purpose.

There's nothing like experimentation, to see if you like an effect.
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Posted: Monday, May 23, 2016 - 08:21 PM UTC

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If I may ask, why are you using a filter? Is your color wrong? Is there a specific tint you are going for? It seems some people apply filters because it's listed as one of the steps in finishing a model instead of a specific purpose.

There's nothing like experimentation, to see if you like an effect.

I agree with John, sometimes we do things we see others do just to be as cool as the coolest modellers... and buy the same products they use, there is a lot of marketing going on about that, and it really works, also with me.
You have to know what a filter can be used for, if not, I see no point in testing what it does on a model. Experiments, I prefer do them on test plates.
May we comment what everyone is using filters for?
MattEa
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Posted: Monday, May 23, 2016 - 09:09 PM UTC
My main interest right now on my Panther model is to tone down the camo, I received some advice on here that indicated a filter might help, however in my opinion it did not tone the camo down, so in my case a filter was a probably a waste. Anyone have advice on how to tone down a camo pattern without an airbrush?
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Posted: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 - 03:58 AM UTC
Put on a flat, clear coat. Mix 95:5 ratio -- thinner + base color. Brush it on evenly, and don't let puddles collect on recessed parts.
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Posted: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 - 04:08 AM UTC

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My main interest right now on my Panther model is to tone down the camo, I received some advice on here that indicated a filter might help, however in my opinion it did not tone the camo down, so in my case a filter was a probably a waste. Anyone have advice on how to tone down a camo pattern without an airbrush?


In the case of German Tri-Color Camo,a very light misting of Dunkelgelb 90-10 over the whole model will do it.
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Posted: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 - 04:49 AM UTC
I don't have an airbrush so unfortunately no light misting, which is unfortunate because that seems like the easiest method. Would the oil dot method work?
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Posted: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 - 06:28 AM UTC

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I don't have an airbrush so unfortunately no light misting, which is unfortunate because that seems like the easiest method. Would the oil dot method work?


You can, but you will have to use the hand brush as well. You seem to be unnecessarily complicating your work. The formula for that misting coat has been laid out as above. No airbrush? then get the hairy stick, hand brush it on -- do thin, even coats. Brush it on one stroke after another, no overlaps. Look out for puddles collecting on recesses -- take them off with a dry brush. One uniform coat should do it. Do it on a test piece to get your confidence up, then go for it.
MattEa
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Posted: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 - 08:57 AM UTC
In terms of the method outlined above, can I do it with acrylic? I don't have a colour close to the base in oils
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Posted: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 - 09:55 AM UTC
Yes, you may do that.
astursimmer
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Posted: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 - 10:11 AM UTC
Butt the recommended misting 90-10 applied with a brush is nothing else than what is called a ....filter. Which was already reported not giving the desired results.
Without an airbrush, apart of repeating the filter several times till toning down the camo, the other only technique I can think of is the good old "dry Brush"
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