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Alvis Saladin in 1962 Europe?
long_tom
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Posted: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 - 09:26 AM UTC
I bought the Dragon kit without a specific project in mind. However, looking up the vehicle on Wikipedia, the Saladin dates from the late 1950's-which would make it suited for Cuban Missile Crisis Europe. I already have an EBR-10 to represent France.
BootsDMS
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Posted: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 - 03:31 PM UTC
Tom,
It is perfectly feasible to depict a Saladin in British Army of the Rhine service in 1962; they would have been organised in the Armoured Reconnaissance Regiments, or the Reconnaissance Troop (Platoon) of the Armoured Regiments.
Colour would have been the Bronze Green as described in your earlier thread.
Markings can be a little more tricky as the BAOR seems to have been in an almost constant state of organizational turmoil throughout the 50s and 60s, and 70s come to that.
Looking at the vehicle from the front: LH hull - bridge classification plate - a yellow disc with figure "10" in black superimposed. Left hand front mudguard - Royal Armoured Corps bisected square of red and yellow; on this - and this would really depend on what unit your model is belonging to - would be a white "2", or "101" to "103".
On the right-hand mudguard would be the Divisional sign the unit belonged to; as far as I can uncover the divisions then in BAOR were 1st, 2nd and 4th. Unfortunately, I suspect that some units would sport their Brigade sign as opposed to the Divisional one, however, I regret I am unable to clarify what and when. The RAC square and the formation badge would be repeated on the hull rear.
Other markings are the vehicle registration number plate - front and rear, and on the lower hull rear is a black and white square just above the convoy light; this is an aid to station keeping at night and is composed of 4 white and 3 black stripes.
On the turret sides would be the Squadron markings - the geometrical shapes as used in WW2.
Last but not least the First Aid box on the rear left hand mudguard would sport a small red cross (within a white disc).
I stand to be corrected on the organizational aspects of BAOR at this time - all a little before my own service I'm afraid.
Any crew figures would be in the olive green combat dress of that period.
Ammo box - for the .30 Browning - would be a fairly dark gloss brown with yellow stencilling.
Vehicles on exercise would be heavily scrimmed -that is using nets interwoven with brown and hessian strips, and sometimes local foliage; cowardly modeller that I sometimes am, I use this in model form if I cannot identify exactly what I am trying to show!
'Hope this all helps.
Brian
It is perfectly feasible to depict a Saladin in British Army of the Rhine service in 1962; they would have been organised in the Armoured Reconnaissance Regiments, or the Reconnaissance Troop (Platoon) of the Armoured Regiments.
Colour would have been the Bronze Green as described in your earlier thread.
Markings can be a little more tricky as the BAOR seems to have been in an almost constant state of organizational turmoil throughout the 50s and 60s, and 70s come to that.
Looking at the vehicle from the front: LH hull - bridge classification plate - a yellow disc with figure "10" in black superimposed. Left hand front mudguard - Royal Armoured Corps bisected square of red and yellow; on this - and this would really depend on what unit your model is belonging to - would be a white "2", or "101" to "103".
On the right-hand mudguard would be the Divisional sign the unit belonged to; as far as I can uncover the divisions then in BAOR were 1st, 2nd and 4th. Unfortunately, I suspect that some units would sport their Brigade sign as opposed to the Divisional one, however, I regret I am unable to clarify what and when. The RAC square and the formation badge would be repeated on the hull rear.
Other markings are the vehicle registration number plate - front and rear, and on the lower hull rear is a black and white square just above the convoy light; this is an aid to station keeping at night and is composed of 4 white and 3 black stripes.
On the turret sides would be the Squadron markings - the geometrical shapes as used in WW2.
Last but not least the First Aid box on the rear left hand mudguard would sport a small red cross (within a white disc).
I stand to be corrected on the organizational aspects of BAOR at this time - all a little before my own service I'm afraid.
Any crew figures would be in the olive green combat dress of that period.
Ammo box - for the .30 Browning - would be a fairly dark gloss brown with yellow stencilling.
Vehicles on exercise would be heavily scrimmed -that is using nets interwoven with brown and hessian strips, and sometimes local foliage; cowardly modeller that I sometimes am, I use this in model form if I cannot identify exactly what I am trying to show!
'Hope this all helps.
Brian
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Posted: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 - 04:29 PM UTC
That was a godsend! Thanks!
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Posted: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 - 05:06 PM UTC
Quoted Text
That was a godsend! Thanks!
'Pleasure Tom.
One final thing and I realise I'm in danger of teaching you to suck eggs here - stowage was normally fairly rigidly laid down so that would - the exception is the rule of course (and never overlook the ingenuity of the British soldier)tend to be a tarpaulin on the rear right hull (viewing from the rear) between the stowage box and the number plate, - with a secured shovel to the left of it; on the rear left hand mudguard a small rectangular oil can next to a jerrican, with the First Aid box next to this. Forward of that would be a stowed camouflage net of the hessian strip type; inboard of this and secured would be a pick head and helve. On the rear of the hull are a crowbar and a tubular spare antennae case.
The front of the hull is the place for a tow rope and is secured in a particular way; most photographs on the net show this arrangement.
I'm sure I've gone over the top here but I haven't made the Dragon kit - so am unaware of what it comes with. I've built the Firing Line resin kit which needed quite a few refinements so most of my comments are made in the light of that.
Apologies again for any perceived micro management of your project!
Brian
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Posted: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 - 05:16 PM UTC
There is a build elsewhere on this site I believe.
Some units had their markings on the armour and not on the wings, less prominent.
Keith.
Some units had their markings on the armour and not on the wings, less prominent.
Keith.
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Posted: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 - 09:26 PM UTC
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I bought the Dragon kit without a specific project in mind. Ho.
wever, looking up the vehicle on Wikipedia, the Saladin dates from the late 1950's-which would make it suited for Cuban Missile Crisis Europe. I already have an EBR-10 to represent France.
Go to page 3 British Armour and see the build for help with your build
Keith.
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Posted: Saturday, April 30, 2016 - 07:41 PM UTC
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I bought the Dragon kit without a specific project in mind. However, looking up the vehicle on Wikipedia, the Saladin dates from the late 1950's-which would make it suited for Cuban Missile Crisis Europe. I already have an EBR-10 to represent France.
Here is a link for you >
http://armorama.com/forums/232652&page=1
Keith.