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paint under zimmerit?

Biggles2

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Posted: Monday, May 23, 2016 - 10:24 AM UTC
Were German tanks painted their base dark yellow before Zimmerit was applied? ie.; when a chunk of Zimmerit was knocked off, what color was the tank's surface - dark yellow, or primer? Of course, I realize that if the Zimmerit was knocked off by a projectile, that would leave a bare metal gouge.

Posted: Monday, May 23, 2016 - 10:44 AM UTC
Zimmerit fell off in larger pieces around the shell hit. From what I've read of posts on this forum, it's primer red under the zimmerit.
Gaz
Gaz


Headhunter506

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Posted: Monday, May 23, 2016 - 12:06 PM UTC
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Were German tanks painted their base dark yellow before Zimmerit was applied? ie.; when a chunk of Zimmerit was knocked off, what color was the tank's surface - dark yellow, or primer? Of course, I realize that if the Zimmerit was knocked off by a projectile, that would leave a bare metal gouge.![]()
Factory applied zimmerit was applied over primed metal. Originally, ochre was used as a pigment. That soon ended because of the high consumption of pigment. It was left in its gray/white color and oversprayed with Dunkelgelb.

astursimmer

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Posted: Monday, May 23, 2016 - 08:29 PM UTC
Hi,
What I see in many pictures is a dark color which I assume it to be the primer. However the zimmerit must a been a very sticky thing, as you always see it leaves residues in its light color everywhere. The effect you have to imagine it is a kind of "fragile" concrete or ceramic material that breaks under impacts and leaves some scorched areas fall apart, others stay. Interestingly in many pictures you see a thin layer of zimmerit stay stick on the primer, while the outer part falls.
Having seen the Panther in Saumur in the middle of the restoration process, I saw original portions of original zimmerit under the sponsons, and their color was a light grey with a beige tinge.
This post should be so much better illustrated with pictures....
Nacho
What I see in many pictures is a dark color which I assume it to be the primer. However the zimmerit must a been a very sticky thing, as you always see it leaves residues in its light color everywhere. The effect you have to imagine it is a kind of "fragile" concrete or ceramic material that breaks under impacts and leaves some scorched areas fall apart, others stay. Interestingly in many pictures you see a thin layer of zimmerit stay stick on the primer, while the outer part falls.
Having seen the Panther in Saumur in the middle of the restoration process, I saw original portions of original zimmerit under the sponsons, and their color was a light grey with a beige tinge.
This post should be so much better illustrated with pictures....
Nacho

Headhunter506

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Posted: Monday, May 23, 2016 - 11:53 PM UTC
Zimmerit was made from a base of PVA with the main filler being barium sulfate. Sawdust was among other fillers used. PVA, for those who aren't familiar, is a synthetic glue (think Elmer's glue). Its stickiness, when combined with the other ingredients to make zimmerit, is why it worked.
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