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AT screens, what colour?
redsoldat
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Posted: Sunday, June 12, 2016 - 03:52 AM UTC
привет танк мафией

Does anyone know if the Red Army painted the anti HEAT screens (screens mounted to defeat panzer faust, and other HEAT war head weapons) seen mounted on T34/85 and SPs? Did the Red Army just fabricate them, and then send them bare metal forward of did they attempt to prime and or paint them prior? I have seen T34 models with the screens painted white for snow, but to be honest I don't know at what point the Red Army decided they needed to counter act the Fascist defenses as the Red Army rolled West. I know that Stalin is blamed/credited in having his Armies race for Berlin against each other but...Were these screens installed before the final push into the suburbs of Berlin, or were they mounted earlier when there was still snow on the ground?

thanks for any help
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Posted: Sunday, June 12, 2016 - 04:51 AM UTC
Are you talking about the ones make of bed springs?
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Posted: Sunday, June 12, 2016 - 05:39 AM UTC
I've always heard that they were installed just before the push on Berlin, using confiscated bed frames as a field expedient means of defeating the panzerfausts. No idea if this is true or if the Soviets actually fabricated and distributed these prior to the battle.

If they were bed frames, I'm guessing there was little concern about painting them in any color prior to the battle.
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Posted: Sunday, June 12, 2016 - 06:10 AM UTC
I heard the bed springs explanation with the counter being they are too uniform in size to be random collected frames. here is something maybe unrelated. U.S. Army discovered that the RPG screens they put up (length of cyclone-chain link fence), actually duded out RPG rockets. I don't know if the German weapons used an electrical arming system like the Soviets, but if they did maybe the Red Army knew they might be able defeat the AT rounds that way, in addition to the standoff.
Any way on the T34/85 it appears to have at least two different sizes of screens-one size for the hull, and the other the turret.
http://www.scalemodelguide.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/T34-85.jpg
https://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images?p=bed+springs+on+ww2+russian+tanks&fr=mcafee&imgurl=http%3A%2F%2F3.bp.blogspot.com%2F_53RSwgpGzWw%2FS6_0PuTbWJI%2FAAAAAAAAAhA%2FqxaUL_Rp6dE%2Fs1600%2FT-34Berlin_photos2.jpg#id=10&iurl=http%3A%2F
Now the SPs had screens also. If they were fabricated in the field, at what level, since they appear pretty uniformed. I don't know Red Army TO&E enough to be able to figure out at what level they would be able to start to make these things. I guess in someway you can compare their construction to be somewhat like the rhinos the Ami made to break through the hedgerows in Normandy. Only problem being the Americans had a large supply of hedgehogs to cut up, I don't know where the Red Army could collect their screen material. Now it appears the the rhino attachments were painted, so sticking my neck out here, have the frames been misjudged because they appear as a different shade from the tank? I mean, the mechanics could make the frames, paint them, then attach them to ....the unwashed tank. Depending on the film, causing them to appear different from the tank's color.
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