Hi friends, got another question. Nearly done with my Tamiya Jagdpanther but I have decided to only dry fit the two set of parts that is optional for the kit: the crew heater on the engine deck and the choice between the flame dampener exhaust or the muffler with three pipes (two of which are apparently cooling pipes)
Am I right in saying that the first option represents a Late G1 and the latter with the crew heater and flame dampener represents a G2? Also, which version/set of optional parts was:
A) More commonly produced
B) More accurate for the tamiya kit?
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Tamiya Jagdpanther (1:35) Options?
kunjuro
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Posted: Friday, June 17, 2016 - 09:55 AM UTC
brekinapez
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Posted: Friday, June 17, 2016 - 11:25 AM UTC
If you make it a G2 then you may need to rearrange the OVM gear which is NOT explained in the instructions. I found out the hard way - snap snap, putty, reglue 
May be easier to leave it an early version.
May be easier to leave it an early version.
TopSmith
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Posted: Saturday, June 18, 2016 - 01:41 AM UTC
Wasn't there a difference in the mount of the main gun between the G1 and G2?
brekinapez
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Posted: Saturday, June 18, 2016 - 05:25 AM UTC
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Wasn't there a difference in the mount of the main gun between the G1 and G2?
The kit actually uses the late production mantlet with the large bolts. The early and mid tanks had a flush mantlet.
The kit also uses the later 2-piece barrel (introduced May 1944), whereas the early/mids had a 1-piece barrel. The driver's vision port is a single slot which was introduced in February 1944. The late versions started production in January 1945.
Tamiya kits build up nice and easy but lack a bit on the accuracy. We leave it to Dragon to produce every single variation, even if it was something minor and unnoticeable to the naked eye.
To more accurately answer the OP's question (now that I've re-read through the instructions and checked some things), I think you need to go with the later exhausts.
Chuck4
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Posted: Saturday, June 18, 2016 - 07:02 AM UTC
I thought jagdpanther G1 actually had a panther A engine deck, where as G 2 had Panther G engine deck. The difference is G engine deck radiator intake and round fan openings were all reduced in size compared to A . The crew compartment heater tower that fits over the round left hand engine radiator fan only fits on Panther G deck so would only fit on G2.
Panther A and jagdpanther G.1 actually used a different crew compartment heater arrangement where air is drawn around the back of the tank, passes from exhaust manifold, and from there it is passed into the crew compartment. This heat arrangement is indicated by the two auxiliary air intake pipes on either side of the left hand engine exhaust pipe, which provides additional cooling air to the manifold and prevent uneven cooling of the manifold when air is drawn off into the crew compartment. The presence of these auxiliary intake pipes around the main exhaust pipe would seem to preclude installation of flame damper.
Panther A and jagdpanther G.1 actually used a different crew compartment heater arrangement where air is drawn around the back of the tank, passes from exhaust manifold, and from there it is passed into the crew compartment. This heat arrangement is indicated by the two auxiliary air intake pipes on either side of the left hand engine exhaust pipe, which provides additional cooling air to the manifold and prevent uneven cooling of the manifold when air is drawn off into the crew compartment. The presence of these auxiliary intake pipes around the main exhaust pipe would seem to preclude installation of flame damper.
brekinapez
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Posted: Saturday, June 18, 2016 - 08:00 AM UTC
Correct on the rear decks.
kunjuro
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Posted: Saturday, June 18, 2016 - 08:47 AM UTC
Thanks for the feedback so far guys 
One of the reasons why I was leaning towards the first option (no crew heater, triple exhaust pipes/cooling pipes) is because the boxart and the instructions for painting only covers that options.
Is this kit not similar to Dragon's 6393 Jagdpanther Late Prod? I am afraid of utilizing the exhaust with flame dampeners as I heard the G2 had the tools relocated to the rear (and I already glued mine down to the sides)
One of the reasons why I was leaning towards the first option (no crew heater, triple exhaust pipes/cooling pipes) is because the boxart and the instructions for painting only covers that options.
Is this kit not similar to Dragon's 6393 Jagdpanther Late Prod? I am afraid of utilizing the exhaust with flame dampeners as I heard the G2 had the tools relocated to the rear (and I already glued mine down to the sides)
Alex_D
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Posted: Saturday, June 18, 2016 - 12:09 PM UTC
Hi there,
The Tamiya Jagdpanther kit is a bit of a mixed bag. Due to the hull shape it can only be built as a G2.
As such, the "early" option in the kit which incorperates late G1 features is totally inaccurate (there's no getting around that G2 hull as mentioned above).
The flip side is that in order to make an accurate G2 out of this kit some modifications are required (as alluded to by others).
Here's a link to a thread on another forum which may be of interest:
http://www.network54.com/Forum/47207/thread/1389832811
Hope this helps - I appreciate that it's probably not what you're hoping to hear however!
Alex
The Tamiya Jagdpanther kit is a bit of a mixed bag. Due to the hull shape it can only be built as a G2.
As such, the "early" option in the kit which incorperates late G1 features is totally inaccurate (there's no getting around that G2 hull as mentioned above).
The flip side is that in order to make an accurate G2 out of this kit some modifications are required (as alluded to by others).
Here's a link to a thread on another forum which may be of interest:
http://www.network54.com/Forum/47207/thread/1389832811
Hope this helps - I appreciate that it's probably not what you're hoping to hear however!
Alex
kunjuro
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Posted: Saturday, June 18, 2016 - 05:00 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Hi there,
The Tamiya Jagdpanther kit is a bit of a mixed bag. Due to the hull shape it can only be built as a G2.
As such, the "early" option in the kit which incorperates late G1 features is totally inaccurate (there's no getting around that G2 hull as mentioned above).
The flip side is that in order to make an accurate G2 out of this kit some modifications are required (as alluded to by others).
Here's a link to a thread on another forum which may be of interest:
http://www.network54.com/Forum/47207/thread/1389832811
Hope this helps - I appreciate that it's probably not what you're hoping to hear however!
Alex
Damn! Ah well. I really appreciate the link though - it really answered a lot of my questions
I might just go ahead and put the crew heater and flame dampeners but live with the inaccuracies of the tool placement. Will just keep the discussion in mind next time I build a Jagdpanther. brekinapez
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Posted: Saturday, June 18, 2016 - 07:27 PM UTC
If they aren't glued on too tight, you could remove them as I did and rearrange them:
Here's a pre-removal shot:
Since I hadn't shot any paint yet I was in not too bad a position. Just a little careful prying, some putty and sanding.
Here's a pre-removal shot:
Since I hadn't shot any paint yet I was in not too bad a position. Just a little careful prying, some putty and sanding.
kunjuro
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Posted: Saturday, June 18, 2016 - 08:07 PM UTC
@Shell Bush
Thanks for the photos. I actually decided to go ahead earlier tonight and try to pry off the parts. The result ain't pretty - might just putty over the damaged parts and sand it smooth... Do you happen to have a build log of how you made the tool holders for the G2?
Thanks for the photos. I actually decided to go ahead earlier tonight and try to pry off the parts. The result ain't pretty - might just putty over the damaged parts and sand it smooth... Do you happen to have a build log of how you made the tool holders for the G2?
brekinapez
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Posted: Saturday, June 18, 2016 - 08:42 PM UTC
No build log, unfortunately. I believe I just cut them off the original holder in a way as to retain the mounting clips. It's been a couple of years since I built it so my memory is a little unclear.
GeraldOwens
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Posted: Tuesday, June 21, 2016 - 02:58 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Thanks for the feedback so far guys
One of the reasons why I was leaning towards the first option (no crew heater, triple exhaust pipes/cooling pipes) is because the boxart and the instructions for painting only covers that options.
Is this kit not similar to Dragon's 6393 Jagdpanther Late Prod? I am afraid of utilizing the exhaust with flame dampeners as I heard the G2 had the tools relocated to the rear (and I already glued mine down to the sides)
Dragon's kit is a late production G1.
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