one of the british members here inspired me to start planning a dio.
from what i remember his dad was a crewman on a daimler scout car.
during one action in a built up area, they came around a corner to find themselves directly dehind a tiger. they fired the 2 pounder at near point blank range, knocking out the tiger with a hit to the back of the turret.
ive got the soverign daimler, and intend making a dio of this.
cheers
joe
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Posted: Friday, March 19, 2004 - 06:08 AM UTC
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Posted: Friday, March 19, 2004 - 10:33 AM UTC
I think and ambush or urban combat dio would be the best option. as for tanks inspecting their kill, it would be quite hard, since freshly killed tanks would be burning, and fire/smoke is one thing that cant seem to be done effectively.
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Posted: Monday, March 22, 2004 - 12:43 PM UTC
Reading this thread reminded me of a tank battle I witnessed at the National Training Center (Fort Irwin, CA) back in 83 or 84.
I was riding in an OPFOR (opposing force) BMP and we were knocked out by dismounted Dragon gunners early in the fight. I crawled out on the deck and watched the battle continue. The two forces closed quickly and vehicles were getting "killed" all around us. As things wound down, an OPFOR "T-72" (really a Sheridan in wolf's clothing) came down the road next to us. A Blue Force M-60 was over the hill from us. The two tanks seemed to know the other was there, but couldn't get a shot at each other. They went round and round for a while, then the M-60 suddenly popped up over the hillside and the T-72 hit the brakes. That's when I snapped this photo:
Both guns swung toward the other and they both fired. They were only about 30 meters apart -- point-blank range.
The observer-controller on the scene pulled out his "God-gun" and killed them both, reasoning that no matter which tank was hit first, the resulting secondary explosions from the ammo would have destroyed both vehicles. Don't know how true that is, but I thought it made a good story!
I was riding in an OPFOR (opposing force) BMP and we were knocked out by dismounted Dragon gunners early in the fight. I crawled out on the deck and watched the battle continue. The two forces closed quickly and vehicles were getting "killed" all around us. As things wound down, an OPFOR "T-72" (really a Sheridan in wolf's clothing) came down the road next to us. A Blue Force M-60 was over the hill from us. The two tanks seemed to know the other was there, but couldn't get a shot at each other. They went round and round for a while, then the M-60 suddenly popped up over the hillside and the T-72 hit the brakes. That's when I snapped this photo:
Both guns swung toward the other and they both fired. They were only about 30 meters apart -- point-blank range.
The observer-controller on the scene pulled out his "God-gun" and killed them both, reasoning that no matter which tank was hit first, the resulting secondary explosions from the ammo would have destroyed both vehicles. Don't know how true that is, but I thought it made a good story!
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Posted: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 - 06:06 PM UTC
I like the ambush option, but there is also the hedgerow scene, which could incorporate infantry as well since the most effective way for the allied forces to clear them was a combined arms assault with engineers, tanks and infantry, you could place a Tiger tank in the corner of a hedge row, and place German machine gunners at corners to cross fire the assualting infantry.
There is also the option of the battle of Kursk, and in particular the Prokhorovka engagement 10-15 July 1943, that was mentioned in an earlier comment. This would allow for the use of several armored units such as Panzer IV's and V's as T-34's, and infantry. The units were so close the could throw gum at each other. Most became mixed up and could keep no cohesive line, and the fighting was so fierce, no one would disengage to regroup as they would be destroyed in the process.
One more option is a movement to contact, say a US armored unit is moving forward with supporting infantry and suddenly the same type of German unit is around a bend and the two engage each other quickly.
There is also the option of the battle of Kursk, and in particular the Prokhorovka engagement 10-15 July 1943, that was mentioned in an earlier comment. This would allow for the use of several armored units such as Panzer IV's and V's as T-34's, and infantry. The units were so close the could throw gum at each other. Most became mixed up and could keep no cohesive line, and the fighting was so fierce, no one would disengage to regroup as they would be destroyed in the process.
One more option is a movement to contact, say a US armored unit is moving forward with supporting infantry and suddenly the same type of German unit is around a bend and the two engage each other quickly.
Posted: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 - 06:54 PM UTC
Try this site for the story of a close encounter between a tiger and a Sherman.
http://www.752ndtank.com/cecina.html
http://www.752ndtank.com/cecina.html
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Posted: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 - 07:39 AM UTC
found the pic of the tank engagement I was talking about in my earlier post well here they are,
and heres a link to the story
and heres a link to the story
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Posted: Friday, April 02, 2004 - 06:11 AM UTC
Maybe this may help? The text by Max Hastings D-Day and the Battle for Normandy, Simon & Schuster, New York, 1984 has a picture near page 123 (I say near because the illustrations are not numbered and have no page numbers) that has a tank hedgrow battle. It looks like two tigers (I could be wrong, it is an aerial photo) are in the hedgerow and there are a few burnt out tanks. a total of 5 tanks are present and near the edge of a hedgerow, with tank tracks all over the place. I say they are within 50 meters of each other.
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Posted: Friday, April 02, 2004 - 09:19 AM UTC
Hey I'm new here. Can any of you tell me how to make a profile?
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Posted: Friday, April 02, 2004 - 12:19 PM UTC
MLD, who one that hill side fight? now im interested lol
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Posted: Friday, April 02, 2004 - 05:43 PM UTC
hows about a hedgerow dio where a heavily camoflaged panther or something is cruising out of a field because a fighter - bomber is coming, and then, from behind it, a bulldozer sherman has sawn off the top of the hedgerow and is in the process of bringind it's turret around to fire into the back of the panther...
that'd be pretty awesome.... you might need some US infantry units hurriedly pointing at the panther in surprise and some German infantry loading up to fire at them....
maybe some German (conscripts) could be runing away, looking up high behind them, to demonstrate the air threat. It would be a battle that went bad for the krauts. I don't know if shermans would knock open a hedgerow if their planes were coming in... probably not, but i'm sure there are other reasons for the panther breaking cover....
that'd be pretty awesome.... you might need some US infantry units hurriedly pointing at the panther in surprise and some German infantry loading up to fire at them....
maybe some German (conscripts) could be runing away, looking up high behind them, to demonstrate the air threat. It would be a battle that went bad for the krauts. I don't know if shermans would knock open a hedgerow if their planes were coming in... probably not, but i'm sure there are other reasons for the panther breaking cover....