AFV Painting & Weathering
Answers to questions about the right paint scheme or tips for the right effect.
Answers to questions about the right paint scheme or tips for the right effect.
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Inexpensive Air brush
spartan01
California, United States
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Posted: Thursday, July 21, 2016 - 01:29 AM UTC
who makes a fair quality air brush for a first time airbrush user something that is not super expensive would be nice too
Posted: Thursday, July 21, 2016 - 01:38 AM UTC
The Iwata Neo is pretty good, and is very reasonably priced.
JimboHUN
Budapest, Hungary
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Posted: Thursday, July 21, 2016 - 02:04 AM UTC
Hi,
I think a Chinese mass produced BD-130 (sold under many names just search for 130 or 0.3 airbrush) is perfect to start, that was my first airbrush and I still use it every now and then.
https://www.amazon.com/Durable-Dual-Action-Trigger-Airbrush-Painting/dp/B00OC49IT4/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1469134774&sr=8-8&keywords=130+airbrush
Just take the time to clean it properly after each use and do not use excessive force when screwing back the nozzle.
As it is China made there is a chance that it has defects off the shelf so look for a seller that provides replacement in case you get a faulty one.
I had no issues with mine. Yes, a more expensive one has its benefits but if you can master it this one is very good to learn.
Cheers,
Adam
I think a Chinese mass produced BD-130 (sold under many names just search for 130 or 0.3 airbrush) is perfect to start, that was my first airbrush and I still use it every now and then.
https://www.amazon.com/Durable-Dual-Action-Trigger-Airbrush-Painting/dp/B00OC49IT4/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1469134774&sr=8-8&keywords=130+airbrush
Just take the time to clean it properly after each use and do not use excessive force when screwing back the nozzle.
As it is China made there is a chance that it has defects off the shelf so look for a seller that provides replacement in case you get a faulty one.
I had no issues with mine. Yes, a more expensive one has its benefits but if you can master it this one is very good to learn.
Cheers,
Adam
AlfredCZ
Praha, Czech Republic
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Posted: Thursday, July 21, 2016 - 02:31 AM UTC
You a never too Rich to buy a cheap airbrush.
This is my motto.
I bought as my first airbrush Harder&Steenbeck Evolution Silverline (cca 100€/$)
Simple service, self centered jet...
China is simple China.
Many modellers say - Why i waste a money for Chinese crap ?
Give money to better mark- Iwata or Harder-Steenbeck (two most popular brands) in U.S. are a few another brands as Paashe, Badger etc.
Look on to review etc...
Fengda is really a budget airbrush.
I think a Harder&Steenbeck Ultra or Evolution are better choice.
This is my motto.
I bought as my first airbrush Harder&Steenbeck Evolution Silverline (cca 100€/$)
Simple service, self centered jet...
China is simple China.
Many modellers say - Why i waste a money for Chinese crap ?
Give money to better mark- Iwata or Harder-Steenbeck (two most popular brands) in U.S. are a few another brands as Paashe, Badger etc.
Look on to review etc...
Fengda is really a budget airbrush.
I think a Harder&Steenbeck Ultra or Evolution are better choice.
Lokis_Tyro
Wisconsin, United States
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Posted: Thursday, July 21, 2016 - 02:49 AM UTC
Bought a Paasche VL after having trouble with another brand. It came with 3 different nozzles/needles, not tiny ones with o-rings either. Parts are cheap and plentiful. Easy to clean. I paid a little over $79 for it. Seems to be going well for my beginner status. I've been able to draw with ink and shoot lacquers, enamels and acrylics without much fuss.
j76lr
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Posted: Friday, July 22, 2016 - 07:29 PM UTC
ihave 4 airbrushes . my first was a badger 150 . I still have it and use it for all my genera work . I love it !I have a badger patriot too for finer work. I have 2 I awatas too but prefer the badgers.
bairdlander
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Posted: Saturday, July 30, 2016 - 06:42 PM UTC
Getting back into hobby.I bought a Paashe E-Z starter brush for $30.Worked well for a few minutes,but I did not have the paint thinned enough.Nothing would come out,so I cleaned the thing and am practicing with just water.You need to have a gentle touch to use this product to get it to work.I am using canned air,maybe that is not strong enough?
Me109G
United States
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Posted: Saturday, July 30, 2016 - 07:48 PM UTC
The Iwata NEO is a nice beginners brush. I picked one up for under $60. They spray pretty well too!
ninjrk
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Posted: Saturday, July 30, 2016 - 09:13 PM UTC
My standard reply is always the Badger Patriot. Inexpensive, easy to clean (which is, I feel, very important for a beginning airbrush), provides surprisingly good performance for the price, and allows a fair degree of trigger pressure adjustment which really helps the user.
disorderly
Ireland
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Posted: Saturday, July 30, 2016 - 09:43 PM UTC
As mentioned, the Iwata Neo is a great starter airbrush.
I have also used the cheap chinese models. The ones I use are branded VEDA. They are available from a company in England called Bartsharp. They are really cheap and the spares are readily available. Not sure about shipping to the US. These work great. check out the reviews on YouTube. For the price they really are worth a look.
I have also used the cheap chinese models. The ones I use are branded VEDA. They are available from a company in England called Bartsharp. They are really cheap and the spares are readily available. Not sure about shipping to the US. These work great. check out the reviews on YouTube. For the price they really are worth a look.
SteelCheeseBeard
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Posted: Saturday, July 30, 2016 - 10:19 PM UTC
Look i would suggest and its just a thought what i did was go to harbor fright which are all over the U.S and pick up both of the ones they sell. 1 is 9 bucks the other is 20 bucks and if will give you some practice and to learn some techniques. Once you get squared away then go out and buy a good one if you want. There is nothing like spending 300 bucks on a airbruch and not onow how to paint, at least with only spending 30 bucks on the guns minus the compressor you wont get as frustrated.
firstcircle
England - South East, United Kingdom
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Posted: Saturday, July 30, 2016 - 10:41 PM UTC
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Look i would suggest and its just a thought what i did was go to harbor fright which are all over the U.S and pick up both of the ones they sell.
Frank, I don't disagree with that approach actually - it will give you a feel for what you're doing and get some practice in and you won't be so paranoid about messing up an expensive piece of equipment. You can always upgrade once you are comfortable.
As an alternative, and I think in a similar price range to the Neo that others above suggested, is the Sparmax Max range - these are maybe between the Harbor Freight type cheapies and the more seriously priced a/bs. I did this Armorama video review a little while ago which may be of interest: Sparmax Max-4
j76lr
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Posted: Saturday, July 30, 2016 - 11:20 PM UTC
[quote]As mentioned, the Iwata Neo is a great starter airbrush.
I have also used the cheap chinese models. The ones I use are branded VEDA. They are available from a company in England called Bartsharp. They are really cheap and the spares are readily available. Not sure about shipping to the US. These work great. check out the reviews on YouTube. For the price they really are worth a look.[/quote
no offense but I'm a firm believer in you get what you pay for . Badger is a great airbrush and isn't super expensive . and their guaranteed for life ! Iv had mine repaired . it cost$8 shipping and they fix it ! it initially cost about 100 bucks but ive had it for years !!
I have also used the cheap chinese models. The ones I use are branded VEDA. They are available from a company in England called Bartsharp. They are really cheap and the spares are readily available. Not sure about shipping to the US. These work great. check out the reviews on YouTube. For the price they really are worth a look.[/quote
no offense but I'm a firm believer in you get what you pay for . Badger is a great airbrush and isn't super expensive . and their guaranteed for life ! Iv had mine repaired . it cost$8 shipping and they fix it ! it initially cost about 100 bucks but ive had it for years !!
Grrdzilla
British Columbia, Canada
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Posted: Saturday, July 30, 2016 - 11:26 PM UTC
I used to work professionally as an airbrush illustrator and I have used a lot of different types over the years. This is what I recommend.
Always by the best brand name airbrush you can afford.
Never buy a knock off. For one thing, parts are always a problem.
Don't buy online, buy your airbrush from a store that also stocks the parts you will need; like needles, tips, colour cups and bottles. make sure somebody there knows what they are talking about and can help you.
We had a saying back in the day that "friends don't let friends buy Badger" They may have improved but they used to be budget knock-offs of Paasche and Thayer and Chandler. Avoid weird stuff like Aztec etc.
Single or dual action? What do you want your airbrush to do: fine work or general spraying?
Use braided hose not the crappy plastic stuff.
My favourite all around handpiece is my Iwata C, now more than 30 years old, it still works great and I can still get parts. Iwata make a large range of brushes and the quality is excellent.
Don't overlook Paasche. They invented the airbrush and make great affordable equipment. I have a single action Paasche H that is 50 years old, still works and I can still get parts. Paasche handpieces are a little larger so not always the first choice for illustrators but used to be the first pick for modellers.
Lastly, consider your air source. Diaphragm compressors are cheap but have a putt putt effect for close work and generate a lot of condensation so a water trap is necessary and a regulator is not recommended. I used to use compressed Nitrogen which provides smooth dry air and now I use a Jun Air which is silent but does need a water trap. Paasche makes a great little inline water trap that will save you a bundle.
Hope this helps,
Gord
If you want tips on technique feel free to send me a pm.
Always by the best brand name airbrush you can afford.
Never buy a knock off. For one thing, parts are always a problem.
Don't buy online, buy your airbrush from a store that also stocks the parts you will need; like needles, tips, colour cups and bottles. make sure somebody there knows what they are talking about and can help you.
We had a saying back in the day that "friends don't let friends buy Badger" They may have improved but they used to be budget knock-offs of Paasche and Thayer and Chandler. Avoid weird stuff like Aztec etc.
Single or dual action? What do you want your airbrush to do: fine work or general spraying?
Use braided hose not the crappy plastic stuff.
My favourite all around handpiece is my Iwata C, now more than 30 years old, it still works great and I can still get parts. Iwata make a large range of brushes and the quality is excellent.
Don't overlook Paasche. They invented the airbrush and make great affordable equipment. I have a single action Paasche H that is 50 years old, still works and I can still get parts. Paasche handpieces are a little larger so not always the first choice for illustrators but used to be the first pick for modellers.
Lastly, consider your air source. Diaphragm compressors are cheap but have a putt putt effect for close work and generate a lot of condensation so a water trap is necessary and a regulator is not recommended. I used to use compressed Nitrogen which provides smooth dry air and now I use a Jun Air which is silent but does need a water trap. Paasche makes a great little inline water trap that will save you a bundle.
Hope this helps,
Gord
If you want tips on technique feel free to send me a pm.
redcap
England - East Midlands, United Kingdom
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Posted: Sunday, July 31, 2016 - 12:13 AM UTC
I have 2 Neo Iwata ABs which I use for general spraying and Alclads and whilst OK, they go through seals like no-one's business and given the base cost of the unit, are not economically viable to keep replacing. As such, they get used less and less and the oldest is only about 2 years old with quite casual use only.
On the other hand, my Iwata HP-C+ (A 'proper' Iwata )bought around the same time just goes and goes and it really is an exercise in of 'You get what you pay for".
I would much rather buy a quality AB second hand than pay the same sum for a 'new' budget one as personally, I think in any trade, there is no such thing as a 'good quality' budget tool.
Gary
flippen_waffles
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Posted: Sunday, July 31, 2016 - 01:03 AM UTC
Tamiya makes excellent airbrushes. They are actually made by Iwata so you have top notch design and manufacturing. I have 5 airbrushes, all Tamiya/Iwata with needle sizes ranging from .2 up to .5. I find myself using the .2 the most.
I would highly recommend a gravity fed airbrush as you can literally spray one drop of paint. I used to use the Paashe airbrush but always found myself wasting paint.
A quick search on ebay will give you many brand new,good quality airbrushes (search Tamiya or Iwata airbrush) for less than most places have them listed for. Iwata/Tamiya parts, and I assume this is true with Badger as well, are easily found online from a number of retailers.
I would highly recommend a gravity fed airbrush as you can literally spray one drop of paint. I used to use the Paashe airbrush but always found myself wasting paint.
A quick search on ebay will give you many brand new,good quality airbrushes (search Tamiya or Iwata airbrush) for less than most places have them listed for. Iwata/Tamiya parts, and I assume this is true with Badger as well, are easily found online from a number of retailers.
slug955
United Kingdom
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Posted: Sunday, July 31, 2016 - 02:05 AM UTC
A lot of airbrush virgins buy the well known brands but find that their skills are woeful. Airbrushing needs practice practice practice followed by more practice. You will NOT get the results of the pro and some folks get disheartened and give up. It's not just a matter of which brush but also paint, paint thinning ratios etc. Hence the need for practice. I am still rubbish!
In my opinion buy a cheap Chinese gravity feed 0.3mm brush off ebay some coloured inks and a few kids colouring books and, you guessed it, practice. Meanwhile save up for a higher spec brush.
In my opinion buy a cheap Chinese gravity feed 0.3mm brush off ebay some coloured inks and a few kids colouring books and, you guessed it, practice. Meanwhile save up for a higher spec brush.
alewar
Canelones, Uruguay
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Posted: Sunday, July 31, 2016 - 02:16 AM UTC
Neo Iwata TRN1 pistol trigger airbrush its a good one start.
Regards from the South.
Regards from the South.
Biggles2
Quebec, Canada
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Posted: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 - 07:26 PM UTC
I use an Iwata Revolution CR gravity-feed. Best investment. Keep away from Aztec - over-priced crap!
TopSmith
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Posted: Thursday, August 11, 2016 - 07:07 PM UTC
The brush is only a piece of the puzzle. You need an air source. The cans of propel are way too expensive a choice for long term usage.
27-1025
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Posted: Thursday, August 11, 2016 - 08:01 PM UTC
Armored76
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Posted: Thursday, August 11, 2016 - 08:23 PM UTC
I started out with a cheap BD-130 myself in the idea that it was going to teach me how to handle an airbrush without too much loss if I'll ruin it. In the first year, I broke a nozzle and bent a needle
Then as time passed by and I've kept hearing about people praising pro brushes, I decided to buy a Harder & Steenbeck Ultra. Well... I had it for like two weeks then sold it again. I was so accustomed to the features of my cheapo that I simply couldn't do without them. The needle travel limiter was probably the most important one and I would have had to step up to an even more expensive brush to have it and that was too much. Plus, I simply wasn't able to determine the added value of this higher-end piece of equipment.
Just my two cents!
Then as time passed by and I've kept hearing about people praising pro brushes, I decided to buy a Harder & Steenbeck Ultra. Well... I had it for like two weeks then sold it again. I was so accustomed to the features of my cheapo that I simply couldn't do without them. The needle travel limiter was probably the most important one and I would have had to step up to an even more expensive brush to have it and that was too much. Plus, I simply wasn't able to determine the added value of this higher-end piece of equipment.
Just my two cents!
Armorsmith
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Posted: Thursday, August 11, 2016 - 10:01 PM UTC
Been using an Aztek 470 for better than 20 years with good results and have been able to produce more than a few award winning pieces at both AMPS and IPMS shows. Beauty of the Aztek is the light weight and ease of cleanup/maintenance. Little to no arm/hand fatigue during long painting sessions. As I use Tamiya acrylics I simply unscrew the nozzle, put it in a jar with Windex, shake and I'm done. As others have noted, proficiency with an airbrush requires practice. While not a precision instrument as some of the more conventional airbrushes, one can still obtain a fine line and do freehand cammo. Aztek also comes with a lifetime guarantee. About 3-4 years ago I dropped my original 470(at that time about 15 years old) I rolled my chair to look for it and CRUNCH. I called Testors and told them what happened. They said no problem send us the broken airbrush and we will send you a new one. About 2-3 weeks later brand new airbrush. There are times when I consider buying a new airbrush, especially when I hear lots of folks singing the praised of Iwata and a few other bands. But then I think of how many kits I could buy instead. Just my experience and two cents. Good luck.
bairdlander
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Posted: Monday, September 05, 2016 - 02:12 AM UTC
I got a Master brand airbrush with compressor for $49 on Amazon.Now they are $138.I guess it was on sale when I ordered it.