Now for something quite different, not German nor Soviet: An Egyptian Sherman with AMX30 turret will be soon available from Dragon
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varanusk
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Posted: Friday, July 22, 2016 - 04:39 AM UTC
Now for something quite different, not German nor Soviet: An Egyptian Sherman with AMX30 turret will be soon available from Dragon
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Tojo72
Joined: June 06, 2006
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Posted: Friday, July 22, 2016 - 04:44 AM UTC
Well,not on my must have list,but something new from Dragon that's not German.
edouble
Joined: January 21, 2006
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Posted: Friday, July 22, 2016 - 07:01 AM UTC
Ironically, I was going to kit bash one from the new Takom/Tamiya kits and some old dragon parts... Guess I was wise to wait!
Biggles2
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Posted: Friday, July 22, 2016 - 07:42 PM UTC
(Gasp)...You mean Dragon actually new-tooled an AMX turret? Or is that from someone else? 
m4sherman
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Posted: Friday, July 22, 2016 - 08:53 PM UTC
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(Gasp)...You mean Dragon actually new-tooled an AMX turret? Or is that from someone else?
A new AMX turret! On a tired old wrong M4A4 hull?
Making a new M4A4 would be nice, although the pics we saw a while back looked like the old kit.
Say, didn't Hellet make a AMX?
panorama
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Posted: Friday, July 22, 2016 - 10:03 PM UTC
Very interesting subject. I was quite stunned at the combination when I first saw one at the israeli tank museum in Latrun.
What catches my eye is the box art: usually it is the opponent that is depicted burning/disabled/knocked out. Here it is a buddy tank. Can you imagine such a box art on an Abrams or Merkava kit?
What catches my eye is the box art: usually it is the opponent that is depicted burning/disabled/knocked out. Here it is a buddy tank. Can you imagine such a box art on an Abrams or Merkava kit?
ULIX-VM
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Posted: Saturday, July 23, 2016 - 02:05 AM UTC
the ww2 m4-sherman tank fought both sides of the mideast wars.
multibank17pdr
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Posted: Saturday, July 23, 2016 - 02:33 AM UTC
Quite interesting subject but Biggles and m4sherman are right, what this kit is made of ? If the content is on par with the box rendering, not sure we'll get a great kit... Dragon M4A4 hulls (upper and low) are not convincing at all and it is strange to see a brand new AMX turret from them ? Or is it Takom's offer ?
Let see... but mixing Tasca/Asuka hull with Takom or Tamiya turret may still be the best way to get this FL10/M4A4_A2 ?
Old verlinden offer or discounted Heller AMX kit could also be an option for the bravest of us
Also, some of these egyptian conversions were abandoned during the six days war and the re-used by the Israelian army later on.
Mtbk
Let see... but mixing Tasca/Asuka hull with Takom or Tamiya turret may still be the best way to get this FL10/M4A4_A2 ?
Old verlinden offer or discounted Heller AMX kit could also be an option for the bravest of us
Also, some of these egyptian conversions were abandoned during the six days war and the re-used by the Israelian army later on.
Mtbk
Cantstopbuyingkits
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Posted: Saturday, July 23, 2016 - 02:36 AM UTC
This kit better not be reusing their 90s M4A4 hull.
Biggles2
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Posted: Saturday, July 23, 2016 - 07:32 PM UTC
Dragon hull + ancient Heller AMX turret = another Black Plague kit!
165thspc
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Posted: Saturday, July 23, 2016 - 11:45 PM UTC
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Ironically, I was going to kit bash one from the new Takom/Tamiya kits and some old dragon parts... Guess I was wise to wait!
Ditto!
Cantstopbuyingkits
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Posted: Sunday, July 24, 2016 - 09:56 PM UTC
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Dragon hull + ancient Heller AMX turret = another Black Plague kit!
Except they obviously won't be branding it as a Black Label now everyone knows what a failure the series has been.
vettejack
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Posted: Sunday, July 24, 2016 - 09:56 PM UTC
I did the Tamiya/Heller mix of this vehicle...which was ok for 80s kit technology. With this release, I just might visit another build. 
easyco69
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Posted: Monday, July 25, 2016 - 09:50 AM UTC
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Posted: Monday, July 25, 2016 - 10:12 AM UTC
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This kit better not be reusing their 90s M4A4 hull.
All the descriptions look like they did. The new parts seem confined to a new rear deck and the turret?
In case anyone is interested, some of these did make it into a couple of war movies. At least one about the Arab Israel wars and another about WWII where these received some German crosses.
Biggles2
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Posted: Monday, July 25, 2016 - 06:38 PM UTC
In a duel between an Isherman and an AMX Sherman, which would win? As Dragon makes both, they're probably both losers! (Just kidding. Usually I like Dragon)
(Just kidding. Usually I like Dragon) 165thspc
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Posted: Monday, July 25, 2016 - 07:02 PM UTC
I know this is a bit premature but assuming this new Dragon FL-10 turret passes muster which would be the best M4 chassis to start with? (I was considering doing this model as a conversion anyway!)
165thspc
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Posted: Monday, July 25, 2016 - 07:04 PM UTC
Oops, sorry, I now see that multibank sort of already answered the conversion question.
Cantstopbuyingkits
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Posted: Monday, July 25, 2016 - 09:05 PM UTC
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In a duel between an Isherman and an AMX Sherman, which would win? As Dragon makes both, they're probably both losers!
Whoever gets the first shot in, most likely. Both tank's guns would go straight through the M4 at any angle.
m4sherman
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Posted: Monday, July 25, 2016 - 10:09 PM UTC
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Quoted TextIn a duel between an Isherman and an AMX Sherman, which would win? As Dragon makes both, they're probably both losers!
Whoever gets the first shot in, most likely. Both tank's guns would go straight through the M4 at any angle.
Yes, and I would say he who got in the first accurate shot would win the fight. The better training of the IDF would be a factor. They were making hits at 1,000 meters in an friendly fire incident. The M4A4(A2) AMX set up had some issues, which is why the IDF went with the M50. Still, that would have been an interesting duel to witness.
GeraldOwens
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Posted: Monday, July 25, 2016 - 10:12 PM UTC
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I know this is a bit premature but assuming this new Dragon FL-10 turret passes muster which would be the best M4 chassis to start with? (I was considering doing this model as a conversion anyway!)
These conversions were done on M4A2 and M4A4 hulls (the latter rebuilt with the diesel engines and engine deck parts of the M4A2, as nobody but the British liked the Chrysler Multibank engine). If you don't like Dragon's current M4A4 hull, you could swap an Asuka item with suitable modifications.
165thspc
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Posted: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 - 01:40 AM UTC
"multibank" was the man's call sign I was referring to but thanks Gerald for chiming in with the answer to my question. I appreciate it!
Cantstopbuyingkits
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Posted: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 - 02:42 AM UTC
Did they upgrade the unsafe ammunition stowage as part of the rebuild?
m4sherman
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Posted: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 - 03:05 AM UTC
The Egyptian version kept the AMX auto loader. Near as can be seen it stayed dry stowage. I have the Lioness and Lion books on the M50, and based on the interior pictures the ones photographed were dry stowage. The left side of the turret basket was lined with rounds.
After WWII it was determined that the wet stowage really didn't help as much as expected, which is why it was not used on later tanks. Putting the rounds in the lower hull was a definite improvement.
After WWII it was determined that the wet stowage really didn't help as much as expected, which is why it was not used on later tanks. Putting the rounds in the lower hull was a definite improvement.
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