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Posted: Sunday, August 21, 2016 - 02:10 PM UTC
Don't want to cause a stir here but I remember when I first joined this site a few years ago and back then there wasn't the scope of new releases coming out like there is now.

It seems most new kits that come out have the same flavour of thread attached by way of the usual comments which are kind of boring and not really worth the read.

I ask this question does anyone seriously think dragon will release anything other than German subjects or anything that can be produced from existing molds basicly this stuff does sell so from a business perspective why not, just because it doesn't suit your taste doesn't mean a single thing.

Basicly if you don't like it don't bother, if you don't like the price find an alternative but at the end of the day spare the pointless why are they doing this and why would anyone buy this the reality is people will.

What I will say is Kudos to the guys that have responded in a positive way in terms of the technical perspective of this kit.

My two cents worth and no offence meant to anyone but it's a trend that's starting to take hold lately

Cheers Ben.
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Posted: Sunday, August 21, 2016 - 07:43 PM UTC

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You know it looks like for every three or four German prototypes Dragon does they sneak out an American prototype. We have seen the T28, M6 heavy tanks (despite their problems, I mean if you follow closely these German prototype kits have their little niggling inaccuracies too)

Maybe one of the combat cars? Serve all the M3 Stuart people to get a M1 Combat Car rather than a proper Stuart. Just the kind of left handed curve ball the Cartel might just throw our way.



If you REEEALLY "fine-tooth-comb" thru 1/35 WWII German stuff alone, versus ALL 1/35 US/Allied stuff from WWI on up to today's stuff, I think that you just may find that the WWII German stuff OUTNUMBERS the US/Allied stuff from ALL eras by a factor of 10:1, at the very LEAST. Just look at all the new Tigers, Panthers, "Paper Panzers" and Hetzer derivatives that we've seen come to fruition in just the last few weeks- That's GREAT for the "Panzer-heads", but it leaves the US/Allied fans decidedly "out in the cold". Of course, this enables the "Panzer-heads" to crow about how "GREAT" and "cool" the WWII German stuff was, as opposed to US/Allied stuff, which they swear was so S#!++Y!

Ummm... UH-UH... If I remember right, it was the US/Allies and Russia that won the war, not all those Panthers and Tigers...

Thank the CARTEL for this very lopsided ratio of scale WWII German stuff vis-a-vis the American, British and Soviet stuff. Maybe if things had gone the other way, with the scale WWII US/Allied stuff, PLUS all the modern-day Russo-Soviet, US/NATO stuff versus the whole WWII German "mountain-range" of stuff, it's the "Panzer-heads" that would be "crying the blues" today, because THEIR stuff would be sucking hind tit...

I can already hear the peals of laughter and squeals of derision from the WWII German buffs:

"SPOILSPORT!!! GOOD-FOR-US, TO HELL WITH YOU!!! OH, SHUT-UP!!! GERMAN SELLS!!! DON'T BE SUCH A CRY-BABY!!!", etc, etc, etc-

Hey! I'm not the ONLY ONE who's sick of it! AND, I'm sick of sounding like a record that's stuck in the same groove! (Remember RECORDS, and Phonographs?)

At least within the realm of Scale Aircraft, i.e, 1/24, 1/32, 1/48, 1/72, 1/87, 1/100, 1/144 and 1/350, things are VERY MUCH on an even keel between the Nationalities and Eras.

WHY can't we have the same sort of parity within the AFVs and Soft-skins Community..? Ask the CARTEL...

PS- I DO build WWII German stuff, and I WILL be buying the new DRAGON Hetzer-based vehicles, as I mentioned earlier in this thread...
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Posted: Sunday, August 21, 2016 - 07:55 PM UTC

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Don't want to cause a stir here but I remember when I first joined this site a few years ago and back then there wasn't the scope of new releases coming out like there is now.

It seems most new kits that come out have the same flavour of thread attached by way of the usual comments which are kind of boring and not really worth the read.

I ask this question does anyone seriously think dragon will release anything other than German subjects or anything that can be produced from existing molds basicly this stuff does sell so from a business perspective why not, just because it doesn't suit your taste doesn't mean a single thing.

Basicly if you don't like it don't bother, if you don't like the price find an alternative but at the end of the day spare the pointless why are they doing this and why would anyone buy this the reality is people will.

What I will say is Kudos to the guys that have responded in a positive way in terms of the technical perspective of this kit.

My two cents worth and no offence meant to anyone but it's a trend that's starting to take hold lately

Cheers Ben.



Because every single other company of compatible popularity is committed to producing almost fully new tooled kits of what modellers have been generally asking for [no, I don't count the cheap [auto-censored] that was Dragon's BL kits], usually for less money?
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Posted: Sunday, August 21, 2016 - 08:13 PM UTC
That dastardly cartel...keeping us from good kits, faking the moon landing, keeping Elvis alive on some remote island.

Oh well, I'll welcome a new panther.
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Posted: Sunday, August 21, 2016 - 08:22 PM UTC
First of all, you guys are SERIOUSLY BORING.

Crap, EVERY TIME there is an announcement from Dragon about a new German kit, you Allied hounds begin to bay at the moon. There are LOTS of Allied offerings coming out, just not from Dragon. If Armorama didn't profit from the clicks and posts, I'd suggest to the moderator pruning this thread to like 2 entries. Sheesh.

If it's not your kit, scroll down to the next thread. This isn't rocket science: Dragon has found a successful business model that focuses primarily on German vehicles. They optimize their molds VERY WELL by releasing variants, and apparently someone is buying them. It's shocking that they don't hang out here and suck up every whine and moan by those who don't like these kits, while someone, somewhere is apparently sucking up the real kits.

Now if you Allied guys could just find that person and kidnap him, perhaps Dragon would start listening to you.

And if you're going to lady about all this, it's BERGEPANTHER with an "e" in between. From the German bergen "to rescue." A "Bergpanther" would be a mountain Panther. Just thought you might want to be accurate, especially those who are complaining about accuracy.
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Posted: Sunday, August 21, 2016 - 08:27 PM UTC
That reminds me, they haven't made a Mountain Panther late '44 either. I want my Mountain Panther!!
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Posted: Sunday, August 21, 2016 - 09:08 PM UTC

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That reminds me, they haven't made a Mountain Panther late '44 either. I want my Mountain Panther!!



NO! NO! I WANT A DACHPANTHER!!! (Roofpanther) Or WAIT! AN UNTERSEELUFTPANTHER!!! Better YET- A ZEPPELINTIGER!!!
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Posted: Sunday, August 21, 2016 - 09:12 PM UTC

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First of all, you guys are SERIOUSLY BORING.

Crap, EVERY TIME there is an announcement from Dragon about a new German kit, you Allied hounds begin to bay at the moon. There are LOTS of Allied offerings coming out, just not from Dragon. If Armorama didn't profit from the clicks and posts, I'd suggest to the moderator pruning this thread to like 2 entries. Sheesh.

If it's not your kit, scroll down to the next thread. This isn't rocket science: Dragon has found a successful business model that focuses primarily on German vehicles. They optimize their molds VERY WELL by releasing variants, and apparently someone is buying them. It's shocking that they don't hang out here and suck up every whine and moan by those who don't like these kits, while someone, somewhere is apparently sucking up the real kits.

Now if you Allied guys could just find that person and kidnap him, perhaps Dragon would start listening to you.

And if you're going to lady about all this, it's BERGEPANTHER with an "e" in between. From the German bergen "to rescue." A "Bergpanther" would be a mountain Panther. Just thought you might want to be accurate, especially those who are complaining about accuracy.



I dunno about YOU, but I LIKE BAYING AT THE MOON!!! ESPECIALLY, when it's FULL!!! Oh fangs, OH FANGS, where art thou, FANGS..? (plaintive howling)

C'mon, Bill! You Panzer guys have had it REEEALLY GOOD for the last 20 YEARS!!! Us US/ALLIED "Hound-Dogs", not so much...

I LIKE, and totally AGREE with your little BERGEpanther treatise. It hurts the German half of my heritage to see (and sometimes hear) such abominations as "Bergpanther"! Also inanities such as "GIRBERGERSJAGGERS", "JAGPANZERS", and when people in general say "PORSCH" or "PORSCHEE".

Likewise, my penchant for correct English is assaulted when I hear "JAGWIRE", instead of "JAGUAR"...

PS- CYBERHOBBY/DRAGON/BLACK PLAGUE, TAKOM, MENG & RYE FIELD will NEVER listen to us US/Allied Cry-Babies because... Well, because WE are not clamoring for more Tigers, of ALL things!!! (CARTEL, take note)
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Posted: Sunday, August 21, 2016 - 10:28 PM UTC

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That reminds me, they haven't made a Mountain Panther late '44 either. I want my Mountain Panther!!



NO! NO! I WANT A DACHPANTHER!!! (Roofpanther) Or WAIT! AN UNTERSEELUFTPANTHER!!! Better YET- A ZEPPELINTIGER!!!



The should do the 1945 erstaunlichgenialpanther prototype
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Posted: Sunday, August 21, 2016 - 11:04 PM UTC
For what it's worth, many years ago at least one modelling mag used to run a poll for wanted kits and appeared the manufacturers listened. Can't recall the mag though. Maybe time to resurrect the practise.
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Posted: Sunday, August 21, 2016 - 11:17 PM UTC

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Likewise, my penchant for correct English is assaulted when I hear "JAGWIRE", instead of "JAGUAR"...




Mine too, every time you post.
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Posted: Monday, August 22, 2016 - 01:24 AM UTC

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That reminds me, they haven't made a Mountain Panther late '44 either. I want my Mountain Panther!!



Careful now, you might get a call from Dragon asking for reference pics.

This one isn't on my list, but why not. While they're at it, make a new Panther II.
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Likewise, my penchant for correct English is assaulted when I hear "JAGWIRE", instead of "JAGUAR"...




Mine too, every time you post.



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Posted: Monday, August 22, 2016 - 05:04 PM UTC

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Likewise, my penchant for correct English is assaulted when I hear "JAGWIRE", instead of "JAGUAR"...




Mine too, every time you post.






Don't read 'em, then!
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Posted: Monday, August 22, 2016 - 05:05 PM UTC

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That reminds me, they haven't made a Mountain Panther late '44 either. I want my Mountain Panther!!



Careful now, you might get a call from Dragon asking for reference pics.

This one isn't on my list, but why not. While they're at it, make a new Panther II.



DITTO...

Probably won't happen though, so don't hold your breath...
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Posted: Monday, August 22, 2016 - 09:07 PM UTC

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PS- CYBERHOBBY/DRAGON/BLACK PLAGUE, TAKOM, MENG & RYE FIELD will NEVER listen to us US/Allied Cry-Babies because... Well, because WE are not clamoring for more Tigers, of ALL things!!! (CARTEL, take note)


Oh, Dennis, don't go there. The absolute BEST kit I have built recently is Meng's M3A2 Bradley, and their M1A2 TUSK kit looks terrific. With Taska/Asuka bringing out most of the Sherman variants, and AFV Club doing well with others, you can't moan too much. It's a very good time for Allied vehicles, many of whom are quite similar and, well, boring.

The Germans tended to release anything that moved because of their chronic materiel shortages, so there is a seemingly never-ending parade of variants. Not so much the Allies who found something that worked and then WORKED THE HELL OUT OF IT.

Overall, there are more kits out there than I can build. I have stopped buying or even asking for review samples for most of what comes out because I have more models in my basement than I will ever live to build. I suggest we all enjoy what's out and what's coming out and stop moaning quite so much.
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Posted: Monday, August 22, 2016 - 09:43 PM UTC

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PS- CYBERHOBBY/DRAGON/BLACK PLAGUE, TAKOM, MENG & RYE FIELD will NEVER listen to us US/Allied Cry-Babies because... Well, because WE are not clamoring for more Tigers, of ALL things!!! (CARTEL, take note)


Oh, Dennis, don't go there. The absolute BEST kit I have built recently is Meng's M3A2 Bradley, and their M1A2 TUSK kit looks terrific. With Taska/Asuka bringing out most of the Sherman variants, and AFV Club doing well with others, you can't moan too much. It's a very good time for Allied vehicles, many of whom are quite similar and, well, boring.

The Germans tended to release anything that moved because of their chronic materiel shortages, so there is a seemingly never-ending parade of variants. Not so much the Allies who found something that worked and then WORKED THE HELL OUT OF IT.

Overall, there are more kits out there than I can build. I have stopped buying or even asking for review samples for most of what comes out because I have more models in my basement than I will ever live to build. I suggest we all enjoy what's out and what's coming out and stop moaning quite so much.



Hi, Bill!

With all due respect, SHERMANS aren't the only thing that the Allies made use of during WWII. Granted, things ARE getting better for WWII US/Allied fans, what with the TASCA Shermans being re-boxed by ASUKA, and TAMIYA's M4A3E8 & M10 kits, but things could be lots better. I have no beef over the releases of the latest Modern AFV kits, fully taking into consideration the MENG Bradleys, M1 TUSK kits and RYE FIELD's entry into the "US Tank" market.

Just look at all the GREAT Russo-Soviet stuff, both WWII and Modern, that MINIART, TAKOM, TRUMPY and MENG are releasing. It's a wonderful thing. British fans have got themselves a new Conquerer. Sooner or later, I'll probably pick one of those up, too. Likewise, if someone would come out with Australia's WWII Sentinels, in plastic.

There was another modeller on this site that mentioned the need for an all-new Crusader I, II, and III- I agree...

I read somewhere on this site that DRAGON will be releasing a new Panther II. Will it be an "all-new" kit, or a re-release of their old one..? I built the old kit (6027, I think) of the Panther II, quite a few years ago, but I did some "correcting", kit-bashing and re-arranged the Road Wheel spacing to match the drawing in the RYTON Panther book. I used ABER's PE set for the DRAGON Panther Ausf.F/Panther II, for extra detail. I used an ACCURATE ARMOR "Schmallturm", because I thought that it was a better representation than the old DRAGON kit's Turret. I'll be interested to see what DRAGON will offer with it's "new" Panther II... Unless this "new" kit turns out to be one of their older 3534 M1 Abrams Panther II kits in a new box...

And Shermans, if you're a WWII US/Allied fan, are not BORING... Neither are Stuarts, Lees, Chaffees, or Pershings...

Ditto, for the whole post-war Patton-series of Tanks, and EARLY M1 Abrams', with the 105mm Main Gun...

BTW- Bill, how are you coming along with your "Dead Man's Corner" dio, featuring the AFV CLUB M5A1 Stuart "#12"..?
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Dennis, the old DR6027 Panther II kit is now up at Hobby Search as a rerelease. The new Dragon Panther F is a much better kit, even if it seems to be missing parts. No hinges on the cupola, or very simplified. I got the Panther II for the suspension, for a couple What If's that are on hold while I do some of those "boring" Sherman's.
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Likewise, my penchant for correct English is assaulted when I hear "JAGWIRE", instead of "JAGUAR"...




Mine too, every time you post.






Don't read 'em, then!



Rest assured I don't mainly because they are so poorly constructed and unreadable.

I just found it ironic that you should be the one to complain about others when you are by far the worst culprit.

With inappropriate punctuation, excessive use of stupid emicons and of course your completely inane use of capital letters. That and your continued whinging about Allied subjects compared to Axis subjects makes me think you need to take up a worthwhile hobby with all the time on your hands. How about you try model making.....
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Likewise, my penchant for correct English is assaulted when I hear "JAGWIRE", instead of "JAGUAR"...




Mine too, every time you post.






Don't read 'em, then!



Rest assured I don't mainly because they are so poorly constructed and unreadable.

I just found it ironic that you should be the one to complain about others when you are by far the worst culprit.

With inappropriate punctuation, excessive use of stupid emicons and of course your completely inane use of capital letters. That and your continued whinging about Allied subjects compared to Axis subjects makes me think you need to take up a worthwhile hobby with all the time on your hands. How about you try model making.....



YOU could stand some improvement YOURSELF!!!
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Posted: Wednesday, August 24, 2016 - 01:33 AM UTC
OK, you two lovers, get a room!

Seriously, it's a good time for ALL modelers. While this or that kit might be lacking, it's not all German vehicles.

For example, the first four Pz. III variants were MIA for years (except for one expensive resin kit). Numerous softskins and half-tracks are just now coming along (Sd.Kfz. 8 for example, and none of the 9 variants other than Tamiya's war horse). And while most of y'all would yawn at the command tanks because of their dummy guns, devoted German armor guys and gals will be glad to see them.

So let's celebrate what is coming out, to each his or her own.

Dennis, I'm looking at you!
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OK, you two lovers, get a room!

Seriously, it's a good time for ALL modelers. While this or that kit might be lacking, it's not all German vehicles.

For example, the first four Pz. III variants were MIA for years (except for one expensive resin kit). Numerous softskins and half-tracks are just now coming along (Sd.Kfz. 8 for example, and none of the 9 variants other than Tamiya's war horse). And while most of y'all would yawn at the command tanks because of their dummy guns, devoted German armor guys and gals will be glad to see them.

So let's celebrate what is coming out, to each his or her own.

Dennis, I'm looking at you!



C'mon, Bill! That other guy just might get jealous over you looking at ME!!!

I don't know if you've noticed, but I HAVE mentioned repeatedly that I DO build a lot of the earlier WWII German stuff. If you bop over to the DRAGON StuG.III Ausf.E thread, you'll find that I've been giving that new kit a lot of positive thought, so I'm not just "all one way" when it comes to WWII US/Allied equipment- I just have a great preference for it...

Having said that, also peruse my posts regarding the new DRAGON Hetzer-based kits. You'll find some positive mumbling on my part, regarding these new kits as well. I LIKE the Hetzer, and I'm hoping that DRAGON will release "all-new" Hetzer kits, and a "Bergehetzer". "All-new" Pz.Kpfw.38(t) variants, such as the Ausf.B and Ausf.D would be nice too, especially since DRAGON has already got a good "base kit" in their Ausf.G kit...

BTW- Did you ever complete your BRONCO Pz.III Ausf.A..? I seem to remember that you were waiting for a missing part..? And how goes your M5A1 project..? You sound like me, with all of my varied projects going all at once...
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BTW- Did you ever complete your BRONCO Pz.III Ausf.A..? I seem to remember that you were waiting for a missing part..? And how goes your M5A1 project..? You sound like me, with all of my varied projects going all at once...


Hi, Dennis, I just received the missing cuppola from Bronco and owe Darren a completed build. It has been unseasonably hot here in Jersey, so I have not spent much time at the workbench, even with an AC down in the basement. My bad.
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