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Why we shouldn't discuss pictures of unreleas
HeavyArty
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Posted: Saturday, October 08, 2016 - 06:21 AM UTC
What an incredible waste of electrons and bandwidth.
TopSmith
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Posted: Saturday, October 08, 2016 - 06:29 AM UTC
JSSVIII
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Posted: Saturday, October 08, 2016 - 06:46 AM UTC
Greg and Gino, I know it might sound odd coming from me since I was a large part of this, but I agree completely. All I wanted to do was talk about a photo...
KurtLaughlin
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Posted: Saturday, October 08, 2016 - 08:12 AM UTC
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Quoted TextI don't know where people get this idea that I that I think people should never post anything about a model until it is released.
Really Dennis? In fact I also have a pretty good idea:
Do you realize you are quoting me, Kurt, not Dennis? Perhaps your belief that you are being badgered or attacked is because you are conflating all the posts together in your mind.
Nevertheless, you have demonstrated exactly the type of binary reality I mentioned before.
"I do dislike posts . . ."
Saying one dislikes something does not mean one believes that people should not do that something nor be allowed to to do that something. You get that, right? I mean, you can see the differences in the words; can't you understand the differences in the meanings? I strongly dislike chocolate mint ice cream too, but I have no problem if other people want to eat that yuk.
Adding context . . . "[When we are analyzing subtle features like casting contours] can't we at least wait until we have the thing in hand to put the whole thing, literally, in perspective?"
Again, proving the binary reality hypothesis. Saying that some aspects of analysis are better left until later does not mean never analyze anything until the kit is released.
"Writing 'On the test shots I see x and it looks different in these photos of the real tank. Does anyone know why this might be?' allows for discussion and learning while 'It looks like they got x wrong.' doesn't."
Now this one . . . Are you thinking that all ways of phrasing an idea have exactly the same meaning and will be received the same way by the recipient? Do you agree that the first example phrasing comes across differently from the second example, even though they both describe the exact same observation by the writer?
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It seemed pretty clear to me...
Yeah, I think we're all seeing that now.
KL
KurtLaughlin
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Posted: Saturday, October 08, 2016 - 08:16 AM UTC
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What an incredible waste of electrons and bandwidth.
Thank you for choosing to become part of it.
KL
KurtLaughlin
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Posted: Saturday, October 08, 2016 - 08:19 AM UTC
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So we are perfectly clear, I wouldn't have posted my initial question about the photo, if I felt we shouldn't talk about it would I?
You still haven't answered the second question in that same context: Do you see any downside with people doing this?
KL
fhvn4d
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Posted: Saturday, October 08, 2016 - 08:42 AM UTC
POPCORN, GET YOUR POPCORN HEYAH!!!!! Hot dogs!!! Cotton Candy!.
(figured I might as well try and make a buck at the fights)
(figured I might as well try and make a buck at the fights)
JSSVIII
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Posted: Saturday, October 08, 2016 - 10:11 AM UTC
HEADSLAP...
Sorry Kurt, and Dennis, for it was you Kurt, Not Dennis, whom I was quoting.
Kurt, putting the context you left out back into the quote:
"Well, unlike Dennis, I do dislike posts that declare that there are subtle inaccuracies in kits based upon nothing more than photographs of a test shot or, as I have seen more than once, the [auto-censored]ing painting on the boxart. If the test shot has eight wheels and the real tank had seven, fine, but casting contours? Come on. For that level of examination, can't we at least wait until we have the thing in hand to put the whole thing, literally, in perspective?"
No Kurt, I'm not combining all the posts in my head, Dennis doesn't seem to be badgering me anymore, just you.
The reason I feel that way is shown perfectly in that quote, because it describes pretty accurately what I did in my first post,if that's not enough for you, lets look at this new Quote from your post:
"Adding context . . . "[When we are analyzing subtle features like casting contours] can't we at least wait until we have the thing in hand to put the whole thing, literally, in perspective?"
Again, proving the binary reality hypothesis. Saying that some aspects of analysis are better left until later does not mean never analyze anything until the kit is released."
While I agree 100% with you that "Saying that some aspects of analysis are better left until later does not mean never analyze anything until the kit is released."
The aspects you would rather leave until later happen to be exactly what my first post was about, again, hence the badgered feeling.
And finally...(one can hope cant they?)
since you actually found a way not to understand my point of view on the subject of posting their analyses of accuracy, I feel the same as Robin, Pawel, Roy, and Hugo stated earlier, I feel the sooner we start talking about possible inaccuracies, the better. I'll even go one better, (even though I know it will give you more to badger me about), I feel we should start talking about details BEFORE the test shots if we have some CAD drawings to look at.
Sorry Kurt, and Dennis, for it was you Kurt, Not Dennis, whom I was quoting.
Kurt, putting the context you left out back into the quote:
"Well, unlike Dennis, I do dislike posts that declare that there are subtle inaccuracies in kits based upon nothing more than photographs of a test shot or, as I have seen more than once, the [auto-censored]ing painting on the boxart. If the test shot has eight wheels and the real tank had seven, fine, but casting contours? Come on. For that level of examination, can't we at least wait until we have the thing in hand to put the whole thing, literally, in perspective?"
No Kurt, I'm not combining all the posts in my head, Dennis doesn't seem to be badgering me anymore, just you.
The reason I feel that way is shown perfectly in that quote, because it describes pretty accurately what I did in my first post,if that's not enough for you, lets look at this new Quote from your post:
"Adding context . . . "[When we are analyzing subtle features like casting contours] can't we at least wait until we have the thing in hand to put the whole thing, literally, in perspective?"
Again, proving the binary reality hypothesis. Saying that some aspects of analysis are better left until later does not mean never analyze anything until the kit is released."
While I agree 100% with you that "Saying that some aspects of analysis are better left until later does not mean never analyze anything until the kit is released."
The aspects you would rather leave until later happen to be exactly what my first post was about, again, hence the badgered feeling.
And finally...(one can hope cant they?)
since you actually found a way not to understand my point of view on the subject of posting their analyses of accuracy, I feel the same as Robin, Pawel, Roy, and Hugo stated earlier, I feel the sooner we start talking about possible inaccuracies, the better. I'll even go one better, (even though I know it will give you more to badger me about), I feel we should start talking about details BEFORE the test shots if we have some CAD drawings to look at.
RobinNilsson
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Posted: Saturday, October 08, 2016 - 12:24 PM UTC
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And finally...(one can hope cant they?)
since you actually found a way not to understand my point of view on the subject of posting their analyses of accuracy, I feel the same as Robin, Pawel, Roy, and Hugo stated earlier, I feel the sooner we start talking about possible inaccuracies, the better. I'll even go one better, (even though I know it will give you more to badger me about), I feel we should start talking about details BEFORE the test shots if we have some CAD drawings to look at.
It should be obvious that it is cheaper to fix the mistakes before cutting the first moulds, even if it is a lot cheaper to cut metal now than say 30-40 years ago. The chances of getting a fault fixed decreases as the cost to do so increases, fixing a CAD-design is a lot cheaper than cutting a new set of moulds.
Brian: Any of those popcorns left ??
/ Robin
barkingdigger
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Posted: Saturday, October 08, 2016 - 03:42 PM UTC
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POPCORN, GET YOUR POPCORN HEYAH!!!!! Hot dogs!!! Cotton Candy!.
(figured I might as well try and make a buck at the fights)
I'm just waiting for a hockey game to break out...
JSSVIII
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Posted: Saturday, October 08, 2016 - 04:41 PM UTC
I have never played hockey myself, but I could manage to run out onto a rink and let some professional players beat on me with sticks for awhile...that seems to me like it would be a welcome diversion at this point...
Brian, any hot dogs left?
mustard...
relish...
Brian, any hot dogs left?
mustard...
relish...
arpikaszabo
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Posted: Saturday, October 08, 2016 - 06:10 PM UTC
This is mildly entertaining. Anyway, there is no need to read every thread, for these pesky discussions about accuracy the titles should serve as trigger warnings. Not to forget, the Hide User function also works...
M4A1Sherman
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Posted: Saturday, October 08, 2016 - 07:29 PM UTC
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Quoted TextIn your post of Friday, October 07, 2016 - 07:42 PM UTC, you show a photo of a pre-release model, i.e. a test shot, and compare its features to those of a real tank. I don't understand why you consider that to be starkly different.
John, just to be clear, what is your position on people posting their analyses of the accuracy of subtle model features when the model exists only in preliminary form and the people only have photos of the preliminary models to refer to? Do you think see any downside with people doing this?
KL
I'm sorry for this, somehow I missed this post. With all due respect to everyone, I am really curious, is there anyone here who has been following this, besides Kurt who can't tell what my position is?
John- I for one, was not "bullying" you- I was only saying, for the UMPTEENTH TIME, that we should wait until we get the ACTUAL "PRODUCTION-KITS" in hand. IMO, "FIXING" the "TEST-SHOT MODELS", and what we MAY NOT EVEN SEE once the "production-kits" wind up on the Hobby Shops' shelves isn't necessary. I also said, (paraphrasing my own words, and adding/using caps is for EMPHASIS, only), that "pointing out errors, inaccuracies and mistakes is FINE, IF, (that's a BIG IF, too) the manufacturer(s) TAKE HEED" of our comments, observations, or of our "pointing out errors".
You're taking my ENTIRE commentary in this thread out of context, and being defensive, when nothing of the kind, at least where I'm concerned, is necessary. I don't think anyone was trying to "beat you up", or "bully" you into ANYTHING. I understand your position in this discussion, and I agree with Matt's AND your observations regarding the "inaccuracies of the "test-shot" M29. BUT!!! The model of the T29 shown in the photo at the Hobby Show IS only a "test-shot", or a "pilot-model" as Kurt and I stated, several thousand words ago. If it were an ACTUAL "production-model", isn't it reasonable to think that TRUMPETER/HOBBY BOSS/MERIT would have shown a PAINTED example of the model to better illustrate what the actual "production-model" would look like?
As several other modellers have stated, among them Pawel, Roy, Robin, Kurt and Hugo, modellers HAVE communicated with certain manufacturers, and pointed out "errors, inaccuracies and mistakes" in certain "test-shot models", and SOME manufacturers HAVE ACTUALLY CORRECTED these flaws BEFORE the models went into full-scale production. Remember, I said that WAAAAY back in the original thread, without actually naming names...
It ALL hinges on MONEY of course, but MONEY is also dependent on customer satisfaction, if only to some extent. Again naming names, CYBERHOBBY/DRAGON/BLACK PLAGUE seem to be the exception, SOMETIMES, and sometimes, NOT. I have tried to communicate with the above-named model manufacturer(s) on many occasions over the years, but it seems that every time I have tried, I get the same conciliatory/condescending response, or NONE AT ALL. So, I have CEASED communicating with CYBERHOBBY/DRAGON/BLACK PLAGUE altogether- I'll leave communication with those folks to the more "influential" modellers that I've mentioned above.
John, can't we at least come to SOME kind of a compromise, here..? I tried before, and maybe I'm expressing myself improperly, but this thing needs to be "put to bed"...
Biggles2
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Posted: Saturday, October 08, 2016 - 08:00 PM UTC
I will agree on being able to criticize CAD's and test shots because, as has already been pointed out, that it is easier to make corrections before production, rather than during production. Waiting until the model is in hand only gives the "Experten" opportunity to bash the kit (if indeed incorrect) and complain about the company's lack of research and knowledge, when that could have been avoided by said criticisms of CAD's and test shots. 
M4A1Sherman
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Posted: Saturday, October 08, 2016 - 08:19 PM UTC
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I have never played hockey myself, but I could manage to run out onto a rink and let some professional players beat on me with sticks for awhile...that seems to me like it would be a welcome diversion at this point...
Brian, any hot dogs left?
mustard...
relish...
Hi, John!
Sorry if you felt that I was "badgering" you- I thought that my comments were, as I stated several posts ago, "rather innocuous". If you look back, you'll see that I wrote "IMO" and "in my opinion" quite a few times, and NOT directed at you or Matt, personally...
AGREED! I'd want some ketchup/catsup (There are different interpretations of the same thing, after all...), on mine, in addition to the "mustard and relish"... I'm getting hungry, myself!!!
fhvn4d
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Posted: Saturday, October 08, 2016 - 08:35 PM UTC
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Quoted TextI have never played hockey myself, but I could manage to run out onto a rink and let some professional players beat on me with sticks for awhile...that seems to me like it would be a welcome diversion at this point...
Brian, any hot dogs left?
mustard...
relish...
Hi, John!
Sorry if you felt that I was "badgering" you- I thought that my comments were, as I stated several posts ago, "rather innocuous". If you look back, you'll see that I wrote "IMO" and "in my opinion" quite a few times, and NOT directed at you or Matt, personally...
AGREED! I'd want some ketchup/catsup (There are different interpretations of the same thing, after all...), on mine, in addition to the "mustard and relish"... I'm getting hungry, myself!!!
see... problem solved... we are all hungry and thinking about food now.... lets take the road thusly travelled and say....best SINGLE topping for a hot dog, best single condiment (sneaky broad interpretation), and best topping for the BUN ( IE grilled with butter and celery salt or garlic powder??) aaaaaand FIGHT!!! LOL
JSSVIII
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Posted: Saturday, October 08, 2016 - 08:50 PM UTC
Hello Dennis, respectfully, what you are not understanding is from my point of view "the UMPTEENTH TIME" IS the bullying part! I acknowledged that I respected your opinion, and subsequently tried to go on with the discussion about the photo, you replied, (I'm paraphrasing here):
Hey Guys, What did I say earlier...we shouldn't be speculating...
then:
Hi everyone, ...If you re-read my post, I think that you'll all see that I was only pointing out that until we actually HAVE these kits in our collective "hands-on" possession, speculation is, in my own opinion, rather pointless and "corrections" to "test-shot" kits are even more so...
then:
...I can't see FIXING PROBLEMS ON "TEST-SHOT" MODELS, WHEN WE DON'T PHYSICALLY HAVE THE "PRODUCTION KITS" IN HAND... WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO GET IN THE BOX,...
Then:
...Yeah, it's great to notice inaccuracies or "warts" on a new kit, IS constructibe, but to "fix" something that we don't know for sure if we are going to see in the "production-kits" isn't really productive. ...
Dennis, all these were taken from separate posts, in between which Kurt piled on, all the while I tryed to let you know that I did , (and do) respect both your opinions on the subject, and your right to post them, I DO NOT agree with either of you about the subject, and tried to move on with my original question.
Dennis, I have a thick skin, but the sheer volume (UMPTEENTH TIME) of times you posted, in one form or another, that you didn't think anyone should post about inaccuracies seen in photos of "yet to be released" kits, made me feel that you were badgering and bulling me.
So much so in fact, that I jokingly suggested we start this thread, which I finally felt compelled to do, and here we are.
Hey Guys, What did I say earlier...we shouldn't be speculating...
then:
Hi everyone, ...If you re-read my post, I think that you'll all see that I was only pointing out that until we actually HAVE these kits in our collective "hands-on" possession, speculation is, in my own opinion, rather pointless and "corrections" to "test-shot" kits are even more so...
then:
...I can't see FIXING PROBLEMS ON "TEST-SHOT" MODELS, WHEN WE DON'T PHYSICALLY HAVE THE "PRODUCTION KITS" IN HAND... WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO GET IN THE BOX,...
Then:
...Yeah, it's great to notice inaccuracies or "warts" on a new kit, IS constructibe, but to "fix" something that we don't know for sure if we are going to see in the "production-kits" isn't really productive. ...
Dennis, all these were taken from separate posts, in between which Kurt piled on, all the while I tryed to let you know that I did , (and do) respect both your opinions on the subject, and your right to post them, I DO NOT agree with either of you about the subject, and tried to move on with my original question.
Dennis, I have a thick skin, but the sheer volume (UMPTEENTH TIME) of times you posted, in one form or another, that you didn't think anyone should post about inaccuracies seen in photos of "yet to be released" kits, made me feel that you were badgering and bulling me.
So much so in fact, that I jokingly suggested we start this thread, which I finally felt compelled to do, and here we are.
JSSVIII
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Posted: Saturday, October 08, 2016 - 09:01 PM UTC
Sorry guys, Biggles, Dennis, and Brian you all snuck in posts, while I was typing (yes I'm a hunt and pecker, and yes I get the possible irony of that word)
Gentlemen, I will be at AMPS in Danbury this spring, if you guys are going, can we all get together for a beer?
Gentlemen, I will be at AMPS in Danbury this spring, if you guys are going, can we all get together for a beer?
Jmarles
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Posted: Sunday, October 09, 2016 - 12:04 AM UTC
I think discussing the test shots is a great idea. A few kits have actually been corrected due to errors being pointed out. As another poster stated there was Dragon's Stug III as well as the Chaffee by Bronco (I think?) which had incorrect turret profile and markings.
fhvn4d
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Posted: Sunday, October 09, 2016 - 01:04 AM UTC
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Sorry guys, Biggles, Dennis, and Brian you all snuck in posts, while I was typing (yes I'm a hunt and pecker, and yes I get the possible irony of that word)
Gentlemen, I will be at AMPS in Danbury this spring, if you guys are going, can we all get together for a beer?
Im Irish, I dont drink beer... make it southern comfort and you are ON!!! LOL
JSSVIII
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Posted: Sunday, October 09, 2016 - 02:25 AM UTC
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Quoted TextSorry guys, Biggles, Dennis, and Brian you all snuck in posts, while I was typing (yes I'm a hunt and pecker, and yes I get the possible irony of that word)
Gentlemen, I will be at AMPS in Danbury this spring, if you guys are going, can we all get together for a beer?
Im Irish, I dont drink beer... make it southern comfort and you are ON!!! LOL
OK Brian, as a matter of fact, I don't really drink beer either, so...1 southern comfort, 1 tequila, anyone else?
M4A1Sherman
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Posted: Sunday, October 09, 2016 - 07:26 AM UTC
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Hello Dennis, respectfully, what you are not understanding is from my point of view "the UMPTEENTH TIME" IS the bullying part! I acknowledged that I respected your opinion, and subsequently tried to go on with the discussion about the photo, you replied, (I'm paraphrasing here):
Hey Guys, What did I say earlier...we shouldn't be speculating...
then:
Hi everyone, ...If you re-read my post, I think that you'll all see that I was only pointing out that until we actually HAVE these kits in our collective "hands-on" possession, speculation is, in my own opinion, rather pointless and "corrections" to "test-shot" kits are even more so...
then:
...I can't see FIXING PROBLEMS ON "TEST-SHOT" MODELS, WHEN WE DON'T PHYSICALLY HAVE THE "PRODUCTION KITS" IN HAND... WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO GET IN THE BOX,...
Then:
...Yeah, it's great to notice inaccuracies or "warts" on a new kit, IS constructibe, but to "fix" something that we don't know for sure if we are going to see in the "production-kits" isn't really productive. ...
Dennis, all these were taken from separate posts, in between which Kurt piled on, all the while I tryed to let you know that I did , (and do) respect both your opinions on the subject, and your right to post them, I DO NOT agree with either of you about the subject, and tried to move on with my original question.
Dennis, I have a thick skin, but the sheer volume (UMPTEENTH TIME) of times you posted, in one form or another, that you didn't think anyone should post about inaccuracies seen in photos of "yet to be released" kits, made me feel that you were badgering and bulling me.
So much so in fact, that I jokingly suggested we start this thread, which I finally felt compelled to do, and here we are.
Well, John- I guess you don't get my point, either...
Everything I said is true- We DON'T know if a manufacturer will take steps to correct flaws or mistakes that are found by modellers- Sometimes they DO, and sometimes they DON'T. In some cases we got lucky, in other cases, not. There are no guarantees for that...
Now, I fail to see how the expression,"for the UMPTEENTH TIME" could possibly be taken by you as me badgering or bullying you- You're probably twice my size, 'cuz I'm just a little feller...
OK, now let's get THIS straight:
"For the UMPTEENTH TIME" is my own expression of exasperation. How is MY "exasperation", "badgering" YOU..? If I had said "darn it", or "OH! FIDDLESTICKS!", would THAT be badgering you? Seriously?
I also said, (which you seem to be ignoring), that "FIXING" inaccuracies, mistakes or flaws of Hobby Show "manufacturer's display models", or more specifically, "test-shot models" and "pilot models" isn't very constructive. As others have pointed out, notifying the MANUFACTURERS of errors, inaccuracies, or flaws in their "test-shots", or "pilot-models", as modellers such as Pawel and a few others have done, BEFORE said models go into full-scale production, would probably benefit us ALL a little better. What's the big deal? Earlier today, I offered you a "peace pipe" by us possibly coming to some sort of compromise over this silly argument...
Can't we just drop it and drive on..?
JSSVIII
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Posted: Sunday, October 09, 2016 - 07:56 AM UTC
You Have My apologies Dennis, you posted: "...Sorry if you felt that I was "badgering" you..." while I was typing my post, and I didn't see it til' after I posted mine, as far as I'm concerned that's it for me.
Will you be going to the AMPS nationals in april? If you are, would you like to join Brian and myself for a drink?
Will you be going to the AMPS nationals in april? If you are, would you like to join Brian and myself for a drink?
M4A1Sherman
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Posted: Sunday, October 09, 2016 - 04:59 PM UTC
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You Have My apologies Dennis, you posted: "...Sorry if you felt that I was "badgering" you..." while I was typing my post, and I didn't see it til' after I posted mine, as far as I'm concerned that's it for me.
Will you be going to the AMPS nationals in april? If you are, would you like to join Brian and myself for a drink?
Hi, John!
Thanks Very Much for the "invite"!
I HATE to be a "kill-joy", but I need to tell you all that I'm diabetic, so I can't imbibe in ANY alcoholic beverages. Unfortunately, I have quite a few other health-issues that nearly automatically become associated with life-long diabetes. You should see my medicine tray!!!
I'm on two different types of insulin, plus a veritable boat-load of other meds, so any alcohol, and certain other foods and drinks are STRICTLY "VERBOTEN", as far as I'm concerned! If things were different as far as my physical limitations were concerned, I'd REALLY ENJOY meeting everyone that visits on ARMORAMA, and the members who may be attending the AMPS Nationals, yourself and Brian included. It'd really be nice to "toss back a few", and have dinner at a decent restaurant, as well...
Also, I don't even KNOW where this AMPS Nationals will be held in April, 2017-
Again, I hate to be a "kill-joy":
(deep breath) I'm also an amputee, so my walking around freely at Hobby Shows and/or Contests is severely limited- Even after nearly seven years, I'm STILL experiencing which are, (in my opinion), sometimes euphemistically called "Phantom Pains". I assure you that there is NOTHING "Phantom" about the pains that I experience when I need to walk great distances, shopping, or even just "milling-around" in Museums, Car Shows, Military-type Historical Reenactments, and/or Hobby Shows, or Contests.
Unfortunately, ALL of the above USED TO BE a big part of my life, and I miss all of that to no small degree... These pains severely "cramp my style", as I used to be pretty darned active. I am lucky to have a pretty good prosthetic right leg, BUT!!! No matter how GOOD a prosthetic may be, my body will be imbalanced, with the resultant lower back pain that has now become a "normal" part of my life even when I just walk around the house, doing ordinary, every day "stuff"... A simple thing like taking a shower or fixing breakfast can very shortly become "not so simple". I live alone, so there's that...
Last but not least, I'm on a limited income, so long trips and/or vacations are not an option for me. Thankfully, I can still drive; I'd go COMPLETELY NUTS, if I couldn't...
So once again, I'm Very Grateful for your gracious invitation, and it honestly pains me that I will have to decline...
Maybe, once you've visited the AMPS Nationals, and if you have the opportunity to send any pics that you may have taken there, I think that it would be nice if you shared them with the rest of us on this site, for I'm sure that there are a lot of us that won't be able to make it...
THANKS, Dennis
PS- You can also email me at:
[email protected]
Or, just email me directly to my profile, here on ARMORAMA
Hederstierna
#247
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Posted: Sunday, October 09, 2016 - 05:29 PM UTC
HEY!!
What's all this "I'll buy you drinks, maybe we can go somewhere to eat, I tell you my life story".
Is this forum turning in to some kind of Tinder like dating site?
Get back into the fighting, I still have some popcorn left.
Just kidding, I'm glad you're finally getting along
Jacob
What's all this "I'll buy you drinks, maybe we can go somewhere to eat, I tell you my life story".
Is this forum turning in to some kind of Tinder like dating site?
Get back into the fighting, I still have some popcorn left.
Just kidding, I'm glad you're finally getting along
Jacob
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