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Katyusha
Virginia, United States
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Posted: Sunday, February 15, 2004 - 11:11 AM UTC
What is the best meathod for applying pastels when weathering?
Ranger74
Tennessee, United States
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Posted: Sunday, February 15, 2004 - 11:21 AM UTC
There are two methods of which I am familiar. Use a short bristle brush (I cut the end of a worn-out paint brush) and grind in the powered, chalk pastels. Do not use oil pastels. I use this method to simulate faded paint on the topsides of a vehicle. I use a pastel that is a lighter shade than the original paint and grind it into the finish.
Another method is to add either water or alcohol to teh pastels and paint this mixture onto the vehicle. The water or alcohol will evaporate leaving the pastels behind. This is a way to replicate liquid spills or muddy water on a vehicle. I have not use this method much, so maybe someone can better explain.
Jeff
Another method is to add either water or alcohol to teh pastels and paint this mixture onto the vehicle. The water or alcohol will evaporate leaving the pastels behind. This is a way to replicate liquid spills or muddy water on a vehicle. I have not use this method much, so maybe someone can better explain.
Jeff
capnjock
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Posted: Sunday, February 15, 2004 - 01:41 PM UTC
I use the dry pastels mostly for weathering, they do give that rather delicate, dusty touch. For stains, I use the pin oil wash method. I do not use a pastel slurry.
capnjock
capnjock
Monte
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Posted: Sunday, February 15, 2004 - 02:33 PM UTC
Since MMP came out with the paint pigments I've been using them for weathering. I prefer them because they stay put once you spray them with the flat coat. I still use the pastels from time to time even though you have to apply them a few times to get the look you want.
Major_Goose
Kikladhes, Greece / Ελλάδα
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Posted: Sunday, February 15, 2004 - 10:05 PM UTC
I USE DRY ARTISTS PASTELS to make dusty effects alone with no liquid. When want to omply mud that has passed over the spot i use alcohol or thinner to mix with the dust and apply . thicker scrubbed pastel with thinner can make really nice mud effects.
try to experiment also with mixing different pastel colours to accumulate older and fresher effects of dirt dust mud
try to experiment also with mixing different pastel colours to accumulate older and fresher effects of dirt dust mud
Tankleader
Virginia, United States
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Posted: Monday, February 16, 2004 - 12:09 AM UTC
Hello Katyusha,
If you use the wet method be careful with the powders or pigments you work with. There are some that you can buy at the railroad shops that will dry into a nice powdery substance but are a pain if you like touch your kits. I also didn't see anyone mention the fact that some pigments will change to a slightly different color if moistened.
Tanks Out
Andy
If you use the wet method be careful with the powders or pigments you work with. There are some that you can buy at the railroad shops that will dry into a nice powdery substance but are a pain if you like touch your kits. I also didn't see anyone mention the fact that some pigments will change to a slightly different color if moistened.
Tanks Out
Andy
shonen_red
Metro Manila, Philippines
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Posted: Monday, February 16, 2004 - 12:17 AM UTC
I've tried adding water to it and it works like a wash. Check my T-72 on my website. I've experimented it on the kit and it looks nice.
Katyusha
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Posted: Monday, February 16, 2004 - 01:19 PM UTC
Thank you for your replies, What I'm looking for mostly Is how to simulate the dust and the dirt and the oil. I'll try the different methods and I'll post pictures of my results when I'm done.
Mojo
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Posted: Monday, February 16, 2004 - 01:42 PM UTC
the pin oil wash method.
Hmmm Sounds kinda interesting.. Any links to read how its done?
Hmmm Sounds kinda interesting.. Any links to read how its done?
Arznek
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Posted: Monday, February 16, 2004 - 02:03 PM UTC
Ok i bought the wrong type of pastels... can Oil Pastels still be used somehow?
herberta
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Posted: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 - 06:51 AM UTC
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Ok i bought the wrong type of pastels... can Oil Pastels still be used somehow?
You can make some nice drawings...
Sorry to hear about your mistake.
They won't work for dust, and are not a good consistency for mud etc. Either try to return them, sell them on eBay, or find some kids who could use them!!
Cheers
Andy
Katyusha
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Posted: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 - 01:59 PM UTC
I made the same mistake, but thankfully I did get a really good kit of earthtones that was the dry type