This is my most recent completed build.
I present the Jagdpanzer 38(t) Hetzer early by Academy.
Any constructive comments are appreciated.
You can find more about this build on my blog:Bricker Industries
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Academy Jagdpanzer 38(t) Hetzer early
docbrick
Joined: April 25, 2016
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Posted: Sunday, November 13, 2016 - 11:45 AM UTC
Hi everyone,
This is my most recent completed build.
I present the Jagdpanzer 38(t) Hetzer early by Academy.
Any constructive comments are appreciated.
You can find more about this build on my blog:Bricker Industries
This is my most recent completed build.
I present the Jagdpanzer 38(t) Hetzer early by Academy.
Any constructive comments are appreciated.
You can find more about this build on my blog:Bricker Industries
Steven000
Joined: August 07, 2016
KitMaker: 191 posts
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Posted: Sunday, November 13, 2016 - 11:58 AM UTC
Nice model and weathering Brett.
I have the kit in my stack, hope it will look like this one some day
Kind regards
Steven
I have the kit in my stack, hope it will look like this one some day
Kind regards
Steven
varanusk
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Joined: July 04, 2013
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Posted: Sunday, November 13, 2016 - 01:29 PM UTC
Very nice Brett, the winter whitewash is really good.
As you ask for constructive comments, the part I like less is the muzzle, it should not be black. And I am not sure the spare tracks would rust that much in so little time this tank was in service, but if they did the surface underneath should be stained.
Anyway, I like it a lot.
As you ask for constructive comments, the part I like less is the muzzle, it should not be black. And I am not sure the spare tracks would rust that much in so little time this tank was in service, but if they did the surface underneath should be stained.
Anyway, I like it a lot.
doppelganger
Joined: March 09, 2010
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Posted: Monday, November 14, 2016 - 08:55 PM UTC
Nice work, very nice. Not sure about the weathering. I find weathering to be a bit frustrating since the accuracy is so subjective.
americanpanzer
Joined: May 12, 2014
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Posted: Monday, November 14, 2016 - 10:17 PM UTC
wow! mind-blowing weathering and fading effects; excellent work!
obg153
Joined: April 07, 2009
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Posted: Monday, November 14, 2016 - 10:31 PM UTC
Really looks the part of a well worn Hetzer in late '44 or early '45. A couple points: 1) a bit more bare metal would likely be visible on the track cleats & guide horns; 2)(and this is a personal peeve of mine) I've seen other examples of vehicles bearing a winter whitewash that's wearing off, where the wash runs off & over every surface on the vehicle EXCEPT the markings(decals). Its' as though the crew took pains to clean off only the cross/star, etc. Just looks unreal to me.
docbrick
Joined: April 25, 2016
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Posted: Monday, November 14, 2016 - 10:51 PM UTC
First of all, thank you for your very kind and constructive comments. I am really enjoying the learning process from each build (this is my 5th serious build so far).
Thanks Carlos. Good idea about the rust staining. As to the black of the barrel, that is supposed to be soot from the gun firing. Would this not be this case? I come from a firearms background and this typically happens quite a bit. However, maybe I applied too much black? Just curious of your thoughts on the subject.
Thanks Jack. Some very valid points. I did use some metal pigments on the tracks, but maybe not enough (I dont think the camera did a good job of picking it up either). I often find that "metal" paints come off as too artificial looking. Any recommendations for a more believable finish?
Thanks David. I think artistic license is a very big fun part of this hobby, especially when it comes to weathering. Obviously, most weathering is probably too over the top for how long these vehicles often lasted in combat. But, it sure adds a lot of fun and visual appeal to our models (at least in my mind).
Thanks again everyone. I hope to improve further as I get more builds under my belt.
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Very nice Brett, the winter whitewash is really good.
As you ask for constructive comments, the part I like less is the muzzle, it should not be black. And I am not sure the spare tracks would rust that much in so little time this tank was in service, but if they did the surface underneath should be stained.
Anyway, I like it a lot.
Thanks Carlos. Good idea about the rust staining. As to the black of the barrel, that is supposed to be soot from the gun firing. Would this not be this case? I come from a firearms background and this typically happens quite a bit. However, maybe I applied too much black? Just curious of your thoughts on the subject.
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Really looks the part of a well worn Hetzer in late '44 or early '45. A couple points: 1) a bit more bare metal would likely be visible on the track cleats & guide horns; 2)(and this is a personal peeve of mine) I've seen other examples of vehicles bearing a winter whitewash that's wearing off, where the wash runs off & over every surface on the vehicle EXCEPT the markings(decals). Its' as though the crew took pains to clean off only the cross/star, etc. Just looks unreal to me.
Thanks Jack. Some very valid points. I did use some metal pigments on the tracks, but maybe not enough (I dont think the camera did a good job of picking it up either). I often find that "metal" paints come off as too artificial looking. Any recommendations for a more believable finish?
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Nice work, very nice. Not sure about the weathering. I find weathering to be a bit frustrating since the accuracy is so subjective.
Thanks David. I think artistic license is a very big fun part of this hobby, especially when it comes to weathering. Obviously, most weathering is probably too over the top for how long these vehicles often lasted in combat. But, it sure adds a lot of fun and visual appeal to our models (at least in my mind).
Thanks again everyone. I hope to improve further as I get more builds under my belt.
joepanzer
Joined: January 21, 2004
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Posted: Monday, November 14, 2016 - 11:16 PM UTC
How do they open the hatch with the MG that way?
varanusk
Managing EditorJoined: July 04, 2013
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Posted: Monday, November 14, 2016 - 11:53 PM UTC
No, there was no black soot on German guns (and tanks). They used smokeless powder. There is a good number of close up muzzle brakes and never show any black.
Only whitewashed vehicles look darker but because of the contrast
Only whitewashed vehicles look darker but because of the contrast
docbrick
Joined: April 25, 2016
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Posted: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 - 12:15 AM UTC
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No, there was no black soot on German guns (and tanks). They used smokeless powder. There is a good number of close up muzzle brakes and never show any black.
Only whitewashed vehicles look darker but because of the contrast
Interesting, as modern firearms use smokeless powder as well, yet you still get large amounts of soot/carbon deposits. I'll have to look further into the subject. Thanks for sharing and for the historical correction.
Unreality
Joined: November 04, 2010
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Posted: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 - 12:35 AM UTC
I've seen several photos showing blackened muzzle brakes on German armor. Not sure what is causing it, but many were black. And then you'll see photos where the muzzle brake looked practically clean.
slug955
Joined: November 10, 2013
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Posted: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 - 01:23 AM UTC
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I've seen several photos showing blackened muzzle brakes on German armor. Not sure what is causing it, but many were black. And then you'll see photos where the muzzle brake looked practically clean.
Flash heat cooking the paint?
varanusk
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Posted: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 - 04:07 AM UTC
Well, I am yet to see a clear photo of a black, dirty muzzle. One of a vehicle in service (not destroyed), and close enough to discard shadows, contrasted paint or any other reason...
A quick search shows only clear & clean ones...
This one in colour:
A quick search shows only clear & clean ones...
This one in colour:
Unreality
Joined: November 04, 2010
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Posted: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 - 04:44 AM UTC
Absence of evidence of not evidence of absence.
I also love how one of the pics is of a guy cleaning the muzzle brake..haha.
But because I don't mind doing other people's research:
I also love how one of the pics is of a guy cleaning the muzzle brake..haha.
But because I don't mind doing other people's research:
varanusk
Managing EditorJoined: July 04, 2013
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Posted: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 - 05:29 AM UTC
A whitewashed vehicle... just what I said I did not trust because of the contrast (see my second message).
Maybe you can show it on a yellow vehicle?
I know I can be wrong. But have to see it
Maybe you can show it on a yellow vehicle?
I know I can be wrong. But have to see it
Bravo1102
Joined: December 08, 2003
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Posted: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 - 05:57 AM UTC
Talking as a tank crewman who serviced lots of gun barrels; The pictures you have of the service vehicle clearly show soot. It's inside the muzzle break, not outside. You fire a machine gun and the exterior of the barrel is not covered in soot. Only the very tip and the inside of the barrel are black.
However that doesn't mean you won't get a batch of bad powder that makes the exterior of the mouth of the barrel sooty. It might even have been crew procedure to wipe down the muzzle break after action. I mean you are supposed to keep weapons clean to ensure they will function as needed. I have seen some who were obsessed with it.
Maybe this is the sloppy, lazy crew who just aren't into maintenance
That is a great finish on the kit.
However that doesn't mean you won't get a batch of bad powder that makes the exterior of the mouth of the barrel sooty. It might even have been crew procedure to wipe down the muzzle break after action. I mean you are supposed to keep weapons clean to ensure they will function as needed. I have seen some who were obsessed with it.
Maybe this is the sloppy, lazy crew who just aren't into maintenance
That is a great finish on the kit.
obg153
Joined: April 07, 2009
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Posted: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 - 08:32 AM UTC
Brett, it's possible that the photos didn't show the bare metal. The method I use frequently is to have the tracks prepared up to the point of installing them on the vehicle. Then I carefully dry-brush Humbrol gun metal paint in small amounts on the guide horns until I'm satisfied with the look, and allow to dry for at least 24 hours. Then flip the tracks over & repeat the process on the cleats. The gun metal paint gives that "worn-bare look" without being too shiny. It works for the teeth on sprockets as well. Hope this helps, and I look forward to your next project!
griffontech
Joined: November 21, 2007
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Posted: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 - 10:35 AM UTC
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No, there was no black soot on German guns (and tanks). They used smokeless powder. There is a good number of close up muzzle brakes and never show any black.
Only whitewashed vehicles look darker but because of the contrast
I like how people say "never".
Smokeless powder is not COMPLETELY smokeless. Even after firing two or 3 rounds through any of my guns I can take a clean rag and wipe the OUTSIDE of the barrel near the muzzle and discover some residue.
A quick you tube search of German tanks firing brought up the following video of Whitman and his tiger. Around the 3:10 mark there is a clip of a Tiger firing it's main gun and you get a good glimpse of how much smoke a smokeless powder produces.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWKfpOtFtBc
While I think this hetzer weathering is a little much for me, I still think it is very well done. Including the muzzle soot....
ryally
Joined: July 29, 2005
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Posted: Monday, November 21, 2016 - 04:12 AM UTC
Nice job
I agree that weathering is the fun part and i like what you have done
I agree that weathering is the fun part and i like what you have done
AFVFan
Joined: May 17, 2012
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Posted: Monday, November 21, 2016 - 10:59 PM UTC
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How do they open the hatch with the MG that way?
The MG was remotely controlled from inside the vehicle. All that would be needed to open the hatch is to swivel the gun out of the way.
simonn
Joined: October 15, 2016
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Posted: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 - 03:15 AM UTC
Brett
An excellent model. It looks so good I feel it must have existed just as you have shown it.
Simon
An excellent model. It looks so good I feel it must have existed just as you have shown it.
Simon
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