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Konigtiger vs jagdtiger road where spacing
Chuck4
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Posted: Sunday, November 20, 2016 - 06:38 AM UTC
the dragon Konigtiger and jagdtiger kit share lots of parts, including all of the running gear. But I notice the dragon kit captures some very subtle differences between the hull of the jagdtiger and konigtiger, such as the roof over the driver's compartment on the jagdtiger has been lowered a coup,e of inches compared to Konigtiger to clear the depression for the big gun. Also the hull of the jagdtiger is a few inches longer, and the entire engine compartment and the rear idler wheels have been moved back compared to Konigtiger. I confirmed both details through reference materials.

But one difference I didn't expect is the spacing of the road wheels on the dragon Konigtiger is different from jagstiger. The jagdtiger road wheels are spaced alsightly further apart so if you line up the drive sprocket or the first road wheel of the two tigers, the last road wheel of the jagdtiger is noticeable further to the rear. No reference material I've seen validates this difference.

Can anyone verify this is indeed correct?
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Posted: Sunday, November 20, 2016 - 06:49 AM UTC
To fit the 12.8cm gun they lengthen the Tiger 2 chassis by 10 inches. "The Tiger Tank" by Peter Gudgin.
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Posted: Sunday, November 20, 2016 - 07:29 AM UTC
I know the hull is longer. I want to confirm that the road wheels are spaced further apart.
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Posted: Sunday, November 20, 2016 - 07:35 AM UTC
The roadwheel no. The Track tension wheel was spaced back further. The gap between the last roadwheel and the tension is here the extra distance shows up
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Posted: Sunday, November 20, 2016 - 08:40 PM UTC
That's what I thought. Too bad Dragon captured a lot of subtle differences between jagdtiger and Konigtiger hulls, but messed up the road wheel spacing.
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Posted: Sunday, November 20, 2016 - 11:10 PM UTC
The spacing between the road wheels was different between the KT and JT, according to post war measurements. It was however, a minor difference of 15mm. See the post by David on page 2 of this thread.

http://www.network54.com/Forum/637977/thread/1305996420/2/KT+vs+JT-+Structural+Differences

This would barely be visible in 1/35 but there should be a difference.

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Posted: Monday, November 21, 2016 - 01:05 AM UTC

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The spacing between the road wheels was different between the KT and JT, according to post war measurements. It was however, a minor difference of 15mm. See the post by David on page 2 of this thread.

http://www.network54.com/Forum/637977/thread/1305996420/2/KT+vs+JT-+Structural+Differences

This would barely be visible in 1/35 but there should be a difference.





With 9 wheels per side, the cumulative difference would be 135mm, which translates to about 4mm in 1/35. That is about what I see on the dragon kits. A difference of 4 mm on the model is definitely visible.

So credos to Dragon for finding these subtle differences.
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Posted: Monday, November 21, 2016 - 01:30 AM UTC
I've been wondering this myself ,
but only have info and experience with the Jagdtiger .

Thanks !
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Posted: Monday, November 21, 2016 - 03:41 AM UTC
My observation on this subject, from 2012.
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Posted: Monday, November 21, 2016 - 04:00 AM UTC
Uh -
You're stating the opposite ?

How did you verify the hull was lengthened and the torsion bar spacing was the same ?
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Posted: Monday, November 21, 2016 - 04:57 AM UTC
My two cents:

Examine photos and drawings. I have my doubts about the accuracy of the French drawings, though. Better yet, anyone who has contacts at Ft. Benning should ask them to take some measurements of the former Aberdeen JT 331 and Ft. Knox KT 332. Ask them for measurements between torsion bars, not the roadwheel hubs, and measure the length of the hull from the last torsion bar to the hull rear. I'll bet dollars to donuts that the torsion bars are spaced the same on both. It's the rear hull extension on the JT that makes the difference. I'm surprised no one has thought of this before.

I also don't think that the engineers designing the JT would have changed the torsion bar spacing, which would have required some major readjustment of the existing jigs and ancillary machinery. Lengthening the hull from the last roadwheel/torsion bar position is more logical and easier to do than redesigning the entire lower hull.
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Posted: Monday, November 21, 2016 - 05:06 AM UTC
When I pondered it ,
I figured they would have lengthened the hull ONLY for those same reasons .

The boring machines required to do the job were in short supply so beyond re-configuring jigs - changing the layout of the bars can have a cascade effect and cause all kinds of problems with things not aligning / fitting , needing to be relocated ...


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