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Better and More accurate T-90MS Kit?
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Posted: Sunday, December 11, 2016 - 10:15 PM UTC
As one of those famous T-72/T-90 Experts, Gur Khan Attack has just post his conclusion about Which T-90MS kit is the better choice now. Whole article was written in Russian but with Google translator we can generally understand what he said and the reason of his conclusion. If any friends here can understand Russian, can't be better to translate it to help ppl who still struggling to make a choice.
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Posted: Sunday, December 11, 2016 - 11:31 PM UTC

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As one of those famous T-72/T-90 Experts, Gur Khan Attack has just post his conclusion about Which T-90MS kit is the better choice now. Whole article was written in Russian but with Google translator we can generally understand what he said and the reason of his conclusion. If any friends here can understand Russian, can't be better to translate it to help ppl who still struggling to make a choice.
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Here is the translation (poor):

"In connection with the release of the model T-90MS obr.2011goda just two manufacturers: Trempetera and Tiger model, many modelers have questions about its accuracy and copy number. To estimate can suggest a few renderings 3D-model, which I consider the most accurate in terms of geometry. Can be perverted, will drive them to the scale and imposing casting.
Sam know that this insanity, but I he did not spared - succumbed to the craze and put on view from the top of the casting tower Trump - differences there, but very small (compared only the general outline and dimensions). I must say, such a coincidence I was seriously surprised: "hell, but as Sir ?!" Now anyone can check and model of the Tigris. I it is not acquired. Additionally give a selection of photos in high the cut in order to see how the various attachment were performed on a real machine, wiring and other small things. In general I can say that Trump did also steers - for dorogyuschim Tiger chase is not worth ... Successful simulation!"

Whatever that means...I can't tell if he did a side by side comparison? It might be a better comparison to have a side x side x Diagram comparison.
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Posted: Monday, December 12, 2016 - 01:46 AM UTC

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As one of those famous T-72/T-90 Experts, Gur Khan Attack has just post his conclusion about Which T-90MS kit is the better choice now. Whole article was written in Russian but with Google translator we can generally understand what he said and the reason of his conclusion. If any friends here can understand Russian, can't be better to translate it to help ppl who still struggling to make a choice.
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Here is the translation (poor):

"In connection with the release of the model T-90MS obr.2011goda just two manufacturers: Trempetera and Tiger model, many modelers have questions about its accuracy and copy number. To estimate can suggest a few renderings 3D-model, which I consider the most accurate in terms of geometry. Can be perverted, will drive them to the scale and imposing casting.
Sam know that this insanity, but I he did not spared - succumbed to the craze and put on view from the top of the casting tower Trump - differences there, but very small (compared only the general outline and dimensions). I must say, such a coincidence I was seriously surprised: "hell, but as Sir ?!" Now anyone can check and model of the Tigris. I it is not acquired. Additionally give a selection of photos in high the cut in order to see how the various attachment were performed on a real machine, wiring and other small things. In general I can say that Trump did also steers - for dorogyuschim Tiger chase is not worth ... Successful simulation!"

Whatever that means...I can't tell if he did a side by side comparison? It might be a better comparison to have a side x side x Diagram comparison.



Wow. That is an awkward translation. Gotta love these web base translation programs.
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Posted: Monday, December 12, 2016 - 02:09 AM UTC
Yea, I'm not what he trying to say based on that translation either.
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Posted: Monday, December 12, 2016 - 09:25 AM UTC
Hi;

"Well"--After reading this about thirty times, I think they Prefer the Trumpeter offering. As it seem they did not like the Tiger's turret for some reason or another !
Well that is what I think they were saying. !!!!

CHEERS; MIKE.
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Posted: Monday, December 12, 2016 - 10:07 AM UTC
The pictures attached the original article clear some of the fog around the translation. Trumpeter did a better job getting the angles on the turret and depicting how things are attached to it.

He expresses amazement that the other company missed such details when there are so many depictions. It's as if they didn't bother to look at the real thing from above.

I don't read Russian but I am very good at reading between the lines and discerning meaning from tortured grammar. This isn't as bad as some term papers I have seen from native English speakers.
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aleluya
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Posted: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 - 09:30 AM UTC

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The pictures attached the original article clear some of the fog around the translation. Trumpeter did a better job getting the angles on the turret and depicting how things are attached to it.

He expresses amazement that the other company missed such details when there are so many depictions. It's as if they didn't bother to look at the real thing from above.

I don't read Russian but I am very good at reading between the lines and discerning meaning from tortured grammar. This isn't as bad as some term papers I have seen from native English speakers.


Thank you for the explanation!
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Posted: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 - 02:50 PM UTC
I think I'd rather the get Trumpeter version. The TM kit is way overpriced.
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Posted: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 - 04:36 PM UTC
Hello
Since Gur Khan is working with Meng on their modern russian subject i'll wait a bit.

I heard that the owner of TM was a member of Meng R&D staff who leaved with most of documentations. I hopes Gur Khan is totally fair when judging TM kits since TM uses his references without his approuval.

I likes all these new russian vehicles!!!!
Blucop
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Posted: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 - 06:04 PM UTC

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Hello
Since Gur Khan is working with Meng on their modern Russian subject I'll wait a bit.

I heard that the owner of TM was a member of Meng R&D staff who leaved with most of documentations. I hopes Gur Khan is totally fair when judging TM kits since TM uses his references without his approval.

I likes all these new Russian vehicles!!!!



That is interesting. Bias playing a role in the review? Who would have thought that would happen (sarcasm) I already have the TM version, I'll build it sometime soon and maybe, just maybe, get the Trumpy kit later.
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Posted: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 - 06:29 PM UTC

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The pictures attached the original article clear some of the fog around the translation. Trumpeter did a better job getting the angles on the turret and depicting how things are attached to it.




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As it seem they did not like the Tiger's turret for some reason or another !



I'm sorry to disappoint you but it's far from what Gur Khan means. Let me translate it for you.
So, in 2 words: he roughly compared the render with Trump turret and he is amazed by the conformity. But he compared just overall sizes and contours, that's all. Considering the Tiger model: he didn't compare it as he hasn't bought it yet. But everyone is welcome to do it him/herself using the render and detail photos.
And he concludes that there is no need to persuade very expensive Tiger model having such accurate Trump model.

So once again - Gur Khan stated nothing about accuracy of Tiger model, just 2 cents about its price.
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Posted: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 - 06:42 PM UTC
I shall chime in if I am allowed...
Khlopotov said the following:
There are 3d renders which, as he believes, are the most accurate representation of the actual thing. Having Trumpeter kit on hands, he put some of its turret parts against those 3d's. To his surprise, there is an almost complete match between the two. He doesn't have the Tiger kit yet, so he can't judge on it as of yet...
Just an FYI: in his earlier post here
http://gurkhan.blogspot.com/2016/11/72-44.html
he leans towards Tiger kit before Trumpeter having access to none...

HTH, Paul
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Posted: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 - 06:47 PM UTC
And here is a build logon the Tiger kit:
http://panzer35.ru/forum/45-17232-1
It goes together with no issues at all, but the Slats have too much flesh on them, PE is needed...
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Posted: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 - 07:47 PM UTC
I was only translating the tortured grammar of the Google translate text. Just excuse my ignorance and presumption in offering anything.

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Posted: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 - 10:23 PM UTC

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I'm sorry to disappoint you but it's far from what Gur Khan means. Let me translate it for you.
So, in 2 words: he roughly compared the render with Trump turret and he is amazed by the conformity. But he compared just overall sizes and contours, that's all. Considering the Tiger model: he didn't compare it as he hasn't bought it yet. But everyone is welcome to do it him/herself using the render and detail photos.
And he concludes that there is no need to persuade very expensive Tiger model having such accurate Trump model.

So once again - Gur Khan stated nothing about accuracy of Tiger model, just 2 cents about its price.



Hello
Thanks for the help, at least your translation match the one i get using google translator from russian to french
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