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MattEa
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Posted: Tuesday, December 27, 2016 - 07:26 AM UTC
I am looking at making a diorama of German vechiles/ tanks advancing towards the Kursk front. I have thought about a sd. Kfz 251 half track with a tiger 1. Or a panzer 4 with a stug III, I am open to any combo of two armoured vehicles. What do you sugessst would look good?
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Posted: Tuesday, December 27, 2016 - 08:16 AM UTC
Matthew, it's what you think will look good and what you will enjoy building. Don't build for others, build for yourself. The Sdkfz 251 is a good idea as it means you can have infantry as well as armour in your dio. Do you plan on having them preparing for the battle, advancing to contact or taking fire? All things to consider before you even pick up a kit. If you're doing a prep dio you could have the tank crew refuelling and rearming. Likewise you could have the infantry putting kit in the halftrack-ammo boxes etc, adjusting webbing and checking kit. You could also have contact between the panzer crew and infantry via conversation and officers consulting a map, talking amomgst themselves (DML do quite a useful Kursk set for that-6456). These are all just suggestions so don't take it as "do this". This is how I work my dios out as usually when I build one it's a reasonable size (hence I don't do them very often lol- I'm currently working on a Hungary one 4 foot by 2 foot). Advancing to contact and under fire you'll obviously need completely different figures for both. It all depends what you want to show and how you want to do it. Sometimes I look at dios and wince as there's no thought gone into them, just built and cobbled together. You need a clear picture mentally before you start. I have an idea as to what battle/period I would like to model then read up on it and study photos for inspiration. Then decide on how I want to portray it-admin,advance,contact. Only once I have made that decision do I start buying the kits. Choosing vehicles is the easy part. It's choosing the figures that you need, to show what you want them to do that's more complicated, especially if they need modifying into the right positions. Always have a picture in your head as to how you want it to turn out and work towards that. Always have contact between figures as any group of people will communicate with each other so a dio is just that but scaled down. I know this doesn't answer your question as to which vehicles would look better (that's a personal thing) but hopefully it'll point you in the right direction planningwise. I look forward to seeing this idea take shape
Tanksami
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Posted: Tuesday, December 27, 2016 - 08:17 AM UTC
Hi Matt,
Well it sounds like a good idea doing a couple / few armoured vehicles together, but personialy I would tweak the idea slighty & maybe do some along these lines of a Stug Abltg
Command group off to the side
Encompassing say 2 x 251 half tracks & a sdkfz 253 Stug armoured command half track, and a couple of motorcycles, Tristar do a set & also do command periscopes, then you could have a few troops laying off to the side sleeping / resting / playing cards.
Then you could maybe have one or two Stugs driving past or one Stug with dragons new armoured ammo carrier that Stug units used following it.
That way everything ties in with each other, or else go the opposite way & do two of the same type of German tanks, say long barrelled mkIV's either f or early g versions for the time frame & maybe a panzer 3 or a destroyed couple of Russian anti tank guns??
Anyhow have fun with what ever you decide to do & hope this has been of some help & have a great 2017
Mike
MattEa
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Posted: Tuesday, December 27, 2016 - 09:03 AM UTC
I was thinking of portraying an armoured division moving toward the front/ maybe resting on their way to the front. I like the half-track idea, but for tank I can't decide between a Tiger 1 early production, stuG III ausf G, or a panzer IV H.
Mortifa
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Posted: Tuesday, December 27, 2016 - 09:32 AM UTC
I have been thinking of doing a diorama myself and after looking at a lot of great work here, and doing some reading I think my approach will be to look at the OOB and then ensure I have the right units together. That way I think I can create a realistic diorama because I can plan out the whole layout based on historical evidence.
HansBouwmeester
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Posted: Tuesday, December 27, 2016 - 01:34 PM UTC
I love dioramas based on historical events and modelled after an existing picture. It's the best way to make a history 3D-snapshot.
It would be great if you make us spectators us on your building-proces. There's always a lot to learn seeing how others make their dio's
Regard,
Hans
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Posted: Tuesday, December 27, 2016 - 03:26 PM UTC

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Matthew, it's what you think will look good and what you will enjoy building. Don't build for others, build for yourself. The Sdkfz 251 is a good idea as it means you can have infantry as well as armour in your dio. Do you plan on having them preparing for the battle, advancing to contact or taking fire? All things to consider before you even pick up a kit. If you're doing a prep dio you could have the tank crew refuelling and rearming. Likewise you could have the infantry putting kit in the halftrack-ammo boxes etc, adjusting webbing and checking kit. You could also have contact between the panzer crew and infantry via conversation and officers consulting a map, talking amomgst themselves (DML do quite a useful Kursk set for that-6456). These are all just suggestions so don't take it as "do this". This is how I work my dios out as usually when I build one it's a reasonable size (hence I don't do them very often lol- I'm currently working on a Hungary one 4 foot by 2 foot). Advancing to contact and under fire you'll obviously need completely different figures for both. It all depends what you want to show and how you want to do it. Sometimes I look at dios and wince as there's no thought gone into them, just built and cobbled together. You need a clear picture mentally before you start. I have an idea as to what battle/period I would like to model then read up on it and study photos for inspiration. Then decide on how I want to portray it-admin,advance,contact. Only once I have made that decision do I start buying the kits. Choosing vehicles is the easy part. It's choosing the figures that you need, to show what you want them to do that's more complicated, especially if they need modifying into the right positions. Always have a picture in your head as to how you want it to turn out and work towards that. Always have contact between figures as any group of people will communicate with each other so a dio is just that but scaled down. I know this doesn't answer your question as to which vehicles would look better (that's a personal thing) but hopefully it'll point you in the right direction planningwise. I look forward to seeing this idea take shape



i agree with Kurt make it for yourself !! i just finished a old Dragon Ferdinand spg , I believe was at Kursk . might be nice !
jrutman
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Posted: Tuesday, December 27, 2016 - 07:21 PM UTC
Depends how accurate you want to be. At the start of Kursk,the tank units were more or less intact and fairly up-to-strength. Which means having the same type of vehicles together,IE a Stug unit or a Tiger unit,etc. As someone suggested a good way around this is to show a command halftrack with a tank alongside,as the tank units had halftracks in the HQ companies for commo purposes. If,as you said,you want to show a unit moving up to the LD,then you could show a track on the side of the road with a tank passing by?
If you are not too concerned with accuracy then of course,whatever floats your boat!
J
MattEa
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Posted: Tuesday, December 27, 2016 - 11:25 PM UTC
I all great ideas folks. I really like the look of the Sd.Kfz.7/2 as well but have no idea if these would have been in Kursk. If not I do like the idea of a command half track with the large radio atenna parked in the ditch while a panzer IV passes by. Now just to get one of these kits for a bargain!
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