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Biggles2

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Posted: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 - 04:30 PM UTC
Would anyone have an idea how to make a tool to simulate the 'Waffle Plate' zimmerit texture peculiar to Stug lll's? (In 1/35th scale)


Monte

Joined: December 08, 2002
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Posted: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 - 05:28 PM UTC
If you get the right size meat tenderizer the pattern on the hammer should make a good zimmerit texture. Although it could be difficult to get the pattern in corners. Maybe you could flatten out some zimmit-rite putty, texture it and then glue it in place??
Just a thought.
Just a thought.


Teacher

Joined: April 05, 2003
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Posted: Thursday, February 19, 2004 - 01:16 AM UTC
Can't think of anything off-hand but search the kitchen and garage for textures you could use. One of the most useful places is in the cut-price hardware stores. Chances are you won't find what you're looking for.....but you'll find plenty of other stuff!
Vinnie
Vinnie

Graywolf



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Posted: Thursday, February 19, 2004 - 02:06 AM UTC
Believing you want something different than theTamiya Zimmerit Applicator; you can use a razor saw blade 0.5 or 0.7mm in teeth spaceness in 2 directions (vertical and horizontal) to simulate a Waffle plate pattern.
Please see this
link for some zimmerit application posts
...and for your knowledge ;Cromwell has a Waffle pattern Zimmerit Stug III. Conversion for the Tamiya Stug III. kit number CA119 in a £24.50 price.
Please see this
link for some zimmerit application posts
...and for your knowledge ;Cromwell has a Waffle pattern Zimmerit Stug III. Conversion for the Tamiya Stug III. kit number CA119 in a £24.50 price.


War_Machine

Joined: February 11, 2003
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Posted: Thursday, February 19, 2004 - 03:35 AM UTC
I made a fairly effective tool by cutting the proper pattern in the end of a piece of square styrene rod. It took a couple of tries to get the proper spacing between squares in the pattern, but it seemed to work pretty well on the finished model. Just make sure to keep the end of the tool wet when working with putty to keep it from clogging up.


ambrose82

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Posted: Thursday, February 19, 2004 - 03:59 AM UTC
Just an idea, one way to do it would be to carve the basic outline into a piece of rubber, like they sell at craft stores for making your own stamps. Then you could cut sections of styrene rod of the correct dimension and superglue it to the rubber base.
Another option would be to create your own form by creating a "negative" in a piece of modeling clay and pouring a plaster or resin "positive" to use as a stamp.
A third option would be to model your "positive" using sculpey or fimo and then bake it in the oven. May have to add the waffle part using styrene rod, but do that after you bake it.
Another option would be to create your own form by creating a "negative" in a piece of modeling clay and pouring a plaster or resin "positive" to use as a stamp.
A third option would be to model your "positive" using sculpey or fimo and then bake it in the oven. May have to add the waffle part using styrene rod, but do that after you bake it.


keenan

Joined: October 16, 2002
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Posted: Thursday, February 19, 2004 - 04:11 AM UTC
Firestorm (at least) makes a tool to stamp waffle zim. Link below goes to a brief review over at PMMS.
HTH,
Shaun
http://pmms.webace.com.au/reviews/vehicles/firestorm/fst056.htm
VLS makes another...
http://www.djhobby.com/cgi-bin/indexpage.pl?http://www.djhobby.com/catalog/mh-tools/VERLIN.html
HTH,
Shaun
http://pmms.webace.com.au/reviews/vehicles/firestorm/fst056.htm
VLS makes another...
http://www.djhobby.com/cgi-bin/indexpage.pl?http://www.djhobby.com/catalog/mh-tools/VERLIN.html

thebear

Joined: November 15, 2002
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Posted: Thursday, February 19, 2004 - 06:26 AM UTC
I think it is R&J hobbies that has stamps you can buy along with thier product called Zimmer-rite.. or something like that..not sure of the spelling .. give them a call...
Rick
Rick

Biggles2

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Posted: Thursday, February 19, 2004 - 04:17 PM UTC
I bought the 'zimmer-it-rite' from R+J, but the stamps are no longer available. I was looking around and found something that looks like it might work, although I haven't tried it yet. I got some velcro strips and the side with the miniature nylon hooks (not the fuzzy side) have exactly 4 projections (the hooks) per 4mm. A 4 x 4 mm. square would therefore have the right size and no. of projections to stamp each 'waffle'. A dollar's worth of velcro would provide hundreds of individual stamps (if it works!!). I envision c.a.-ing a 4x4 mm square of velcro to the end of a similarly -sized square-section plastruct piece, giving it a solid backing and a convenient handle. Anybody want to try it?


kglack43

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Posted: Thursday, February 19, 2004 - 04:57 PM UTC
Just a thought....wire mesh. pressed into the soft putty then cut into areas to cover the sides.

Biggles2

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Posted: Friday, February 20, 2004 - 10:07 AM UTC
I think anything with holes in it like wire or brass mesh would leave tiny projections pointing outwards. The waffle pattern was called 'waffle' because of the depressions or holes pressed into it.

Biggles2

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Posted: Sunday, February 22, 2004 - 04:05 PM UTC
I tried the Velcro for impressing Waffles with disappointing results. The mini-hooks gave an elongated slot impression instead of round or squarish shaped indents. So I just went and made a tool from scrap and plasic rod.


flitzer

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Posted: Monday, February 23, 2004 - 03:36 AM UTC
HI Biggles2
I don't know if this will help...
I posted it in another recent zimmerite post.
Will it be good for my zimmerframe....???
Cheers
Peter
:-)
I don't know if this will help...

I posted it in another recent zimmerite post.
Will it be good for my zimmerframe....???
Cheers
Peter
:-)




Biggles2

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Posted: Monday, February 23, 2004 - 04:32 PM UTC
I will be using 'Zimm-it-rite' as my medium of choice. Is there any reason for not using the last method directly on paper? It would be more economical than using plastic card, and the paper backing is so thin as to be un-noticeable when applied to the model.


flitzer

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Posted: Monday, February 23, 2004 - 06:02 PM UTC
You could be right Biggles2,
I imagine stiff paper would do the job.
Cheers
Peter
:-)
I imagine stiff paper would do the job.
Cheers
Peter



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