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[W] CVRTs Scorpion & Scimitar - AFVClub 1:35.
Gelerth
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Posted: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 - 07:14 PM UTC
2S7M almost done, Rhino is waiting for a camo and since Luna-M did not arrive yet, I've started another models. Not sure why I've always liked them, but honestly I was not aware how small they are. I would like to do a UNPROFOR version but I know that only one vehicle was used in this camo, so it will kind of "What if" scenario. Base will be located somewhere in former Yugoslavia. Village road, old wooden fence, some trees, maybe piece of brick building. We will see.
Models are quite old, so details are rather bulky, however metal barrels are in both kits as well as small PE fret. I've ordered eduard parts and I'm thinking about Friul tracks but they are quite expensive, a lot more then models themselves.

Quite big boxes, much too big taking content into consideration



And very small hull, almost like 1:72 scale:



First flaws. To keep level of suspension I had to use some CA glue:



I did suspension and wheels, all of this is so small:



I'm thinking what put on base, especially that there will be plenty of space:



I've started the fence from balsa:



And small gate:



This is the plan for a base:



I was planning to use such stones for pavement:



I used plaster to shape a road:



And then I've started to glue blocks:



To do this piece it took around 40-50 minutes



I did a fence, I will have to correct some things, but it will look like this:



And first dry fit:
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Posted: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 - 08:30 PM UTC
Looks like you're off to a great start!

Also AFV Club recently released their only workable plastic tracks for the CVRT series, but I'm not sure if the links would be correct for the period you're diorama is placed in, but they should be cheaper than Friuls
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Posted: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 - 09:22 PM UTC

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Looks like you're off to a great start!

Also AFV Club recently released their only workable plastic tracks for the CVRT series, but I'm not sure if the links would be correct for the period you're diorama is placed in, but they should be cheaper than Friuls

Thank you for the info. I've ordered them in Hobbyeasy as there are not available in Poland. I've noticed that there are two versions early & late, I'm not sure what's the difference and when they were used so I took an early ones. And yes, it's true, they are much cheaper then Friuls, set of two was cost me only a little bit then one friul. I hope they will fit and won't cause any issues. Thanks again.
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Posted: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 - 03:56 AM UTC
Sadly the AFV tracks are not very good, the Fruil tracks are the best option and worth the money IMO. I've built several of these kits and converted one to the more modern bar-armoured vehicles from Iraq

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Posted: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 - 04:50 AM UTC
Used them, not so good stick to fruls.
Gelerth
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Posted: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 - 11:43 AM UTC
Ok. Thank you guys for the info, unfortunately it's too late now. Order was placed and in transfer now.
If I will be able to sold them in reasonable price I will go for the friuls, if not I will have to use AFV tracks.
Gelerth
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Posted: Friday, January 06, 2017 - 12:54 AM UTC
Cobblestone almost done



Painted with very thinned XF-20 and XF-19

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Then gloss, some earth and dirt and then thinned PVA



The rest was done from plaster and sand



I did a piece of wall to use it as a piece of pigpen or cow barn



And Ive painted fence, first with some grey then with some oils

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Posted: Friday, January 06, 2017 - 09:46 PM UTC
I'll be interested to hear how you cope with shaping the exhaust shield. For some reason I can't begin to imagine, AFV Club made their photo-etch with stainless spring steel rather than brass! It simply refuses to bend into shape.

I tried annealing, which, being a ferrous metal, did not produce any noticeable difference, and the piece sheds heat too fast for quenching.

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Posted: Saturday, January 07, 2017 - 12:58 AM UTC
Przemek,

a very nice start. I love the subtle shading of the fence.

Best regards

Dennis
Gelerth
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Posted: Monday, January 09, 2017 - 11:50 AM UTC

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I'll be interested to hear how you cope with shaping the exhaust shield. For some reason I can't begin to imagine, AFV Club made their photo-etch with stainless spring steel rather than brass! It simply refuses to bend into shape.

I tried annealing, which, being a ferrous metal, did not produce any noticeable difference, and the piece sheds heat too fast for quenching.


Thank you for the info. I was not aware that it is made of such "not cooperating" piece of metal ;-)



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Przemek,
a very nice start. I love the subtle shading of the fence.

Best regards
Dennis

Thank you.
Namabiiru
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Posted: Monday, January 09, 2017 - 04:34 PM UTC

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I'll be interested to hear how you cope with shaping the exhaust shield. For some reason I can't begin to imagine, AFV Club made their photo-etch with stainless spring steel rather than brass! It simply refuses to bend into shape.

I tried annealing, which, being a ferrous metal, did not produce any noticeable difference, and the piece sheds heat too fast for quenching.


Thank you for the info. I was not aware that it is made of such "not cooperating" piece of metal ;-)



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Przemek,
a very nice start. I love the subtle shading of the fence.

Best regards
Dennis

Thank you.



Eventually the way I was able to coerce the heat shield into shape was to tape it to a screw driver handle (smaller than the 5mm called for) and then wrapped it tightly with copper wire. Unwrap, repeat until it's the right shape and tweak with needlenose pliers. Good luck!

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Posted: Monday, January 09, 2017 - 06:18 PM UTC
I didn't have any issues with AFV'S track links at all.

Rolled the heat shield smaller than needed and gently super glued top run first then bottom, situated and in place with first attempt.

Radiator deck on the Scimitar is not bolted down like the Scorpion.

Devil is in the details.


Keith
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Posted: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 - 06:12 PM UTC
For anyone interested, you can see my notes on the AFV indy link tracks here.

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Posted: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 - 05:10 AM UTC
Scorpion out of service by time of the Yugoslav deployments. Some converted to Sabre.
Gelerth
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Posted: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 - 02:59 PM UTC

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I didn't have any issues with AFV'S track links at all.

Rolled the heat shield smaller than needed and gently super glued top run first then bottom, situated and in place with first attempt.
Radiator deck on the Scimitar is not bolted down like the Scorpion.
Devil is in the details.

Keith

Thank you Keith for the tips.



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For anyone interested, you can see my notes on the AFV indy link tracks here.

I hope I won't have such issueas. Mine tracks should arrive any day now.



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Scorpion out of service by time of the Yugoslav deployments. Some converted to Sabre.

Base I'm building will be rather "What if?" category but thank you for the info. I was not aware of it.
Gelerth
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Posted: Sunday, March 05, 2017 - 02:59 PM UTC
I was wondering how to set up the vehicles and three ideas poped up.
First as normal drive column:



Rest:



And road block:



In the meantime I started adding metal parts.
One side:



The other one:



Turret:



Dry fit:



And lamps. There were made as full, so I had to mill them. Next I will add a bulb and lamp glass.

ptruhe
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Posted: Sunday, March 05, 2017 - 07:08 PM UTC
Some of the pictures aren't showing. If at rest in a combat area they might be in a herringbone pattern. Nose out at 45 degrees in opposite directions.
Gelerth
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Posted: Sunday, March 05, 2017 - 08:00 PM UTC

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Some of the pictures aren't showing. If at rest in a combat area they might be in a herringbone pattern. Nose out at 45 degrees in opposite directions.

Ohh, sorry. I've corrected the Google Photos links. Should be ok now.
Thanks for the tip, I will try to fit it to the base way you mentioned.
Gelerth
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Posted: Wednesday, March 08, 2017 - 07:25 PM UTC
Small update. PE parts almost ready, some minor stuff like headlamps covers or wiring.
So far I've got this:



Additionally I drilled a little bit a Scorpio barrel, drilled some holes for antennas and glued tissue for the stash cover:


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