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Tracked IDF Trailer ID Needed
ReluctantRenegade
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Posted: Thursday, January 26, 2017 - 11:34 PM UTC
WTH...tracked IDF trailer...?
ReluctantRenegade
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Posted: Sunday, January 29, 2017 - 08:51 PM UTC
Anyone...? Frenchy...?
Frenchy
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Posted: Sunday, January 29, 2017 - 09:29 PM UTC
Still searching....But it's a tough one ! 
H.P.
H.P.
ReluctantRenegade
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Posted: Sunday, January 29, 2017 - 09:42 PM UTC
You are my last hope... 
Thanks for your efforts! Highly appreciated!
Thanks for your efforts! Highly appreciated!
RobinNilsson
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Posted: Sunday, January 29, 2017 - 09:46 PM UTC
Maybe it was only a prototype ?
The wheels look like the almuninium wheels used by the M60 tanks (usually replaced with M48 wheels to increase reliability).
Where did you find the image ? Any clues there ?
/ Robin
The wheels look like the almuninium wheels used by the M60 tanks (usually replaced with M48 wheels to increase reliability).
Where did you find the image ? Any clues there ?
/ Robin
ReluctantRenegade
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Posted: Sunday, January 29, 2017 - 09:52 PM UTC
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Where did you find the image ? Any clues there ?
I've found it on a Russian website only mentioning the broke down "Nagmachon"...
GTDeath13
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Posted: Sunday, January 29, 2017 - 10:12 PM UTC
This trailer reminds me of the make shift trailers used in the factory where the Centurions were upgraded.
Those trailers where made by suspension parts from the VVSS suspension parts of the Sherman tanks.
Perhaps it is one of those cases where the IDF used old parts to make something useful out of them.
You can see the photo I am refering to on Dr Manasherob's book Shot Kal Alef Vol. 3 page 8
Those trailers where made by suspension parts from the VVSS suspension parts of the Sherman tanks.
Perhaps it is one of those cases where the IDF used old parts to make something useful out of them.
You can see the photo I am refering to on Dr Manasherob's book Shot Kal Alef Vol. 3 page 8
ReluctantRenegade
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Posted: Sunday, January 29, 2017 - 10:46 PM UTC
Quoted Text
You can see the photo I am refering to on Dr Manasherob's book Shot Kal Alef Vol. 3 page 8
I see him online from time to time, hope he'll solve the mystery...
SabIngaMartin
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Posted: Sunday, January 29, 2017 - 11:18 PM UTC
New introduction of old idea. Recovery platform with Paton tanks wheels and track. Similar concept was used several decade ago, and that example can be found at Latrun armored M.
Robert
Dr. Robert Manasherob
www.sabongamartin.com
Robert
Dr. Robert Manasherob
www.sabongamartin.com
ReluctantRenegade
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Posted: Sunday, January 29, 2017 - 11:50 PM UTC
Thank you Dr. Menasherob, that was quick. Are we talking about this?
RobinNilsson
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Posted: Monday, January 30, 2017 - 12:39 AM UTC
Tracked trailers have been used for tank recovery before,
this one is from WW II and I wouldn't be surprised if there is an even earlier example somewhere.
https://accurate-armour.com/our-products/135th-kits/k189
/ Robin
this one is from WW II and I wouldn't be surprised if there is an even earlier example somewhere.
https://accurate-armour.com/our-products/135th-kits/k189
/ Robin
SabIngaMartin
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Posted: Monday, January 30, 2017 - 01:03 AM UTC
Yes about that one.
Regarding WWII, I dont claims that we invented the wheel, as I mention, I said that similar concept was used by Israel several decades ago thus presented in Latrun M.
Robert
Dr. Robert Manasherob
www.sabingamartin.com
Regarding WWII, I dont claims that we invented the wheel, as I mention, I said that similar concept was used by Israel several decades ago thus presented in Latrun M.
Robert
Dr. Robert Manasherob
www.sabingamartin.com
165thspc
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Posted: Monday, January 30, 2017 - 01:09 AM UTC
Very Interesting!
I occasionally will see D-Day photos of medium sized tracked US trailers left on the beach. Do not know what they were called so I have never been able to google them. I am sure someone will jump right in on sharing info on this one.
I find both these modern trailers and the WWII tracked trailers something to look into further!
Regards to all!
I occasionally will see D-Day photos of medium sized tracked US trailers left on the beach. Do not know what they were called so I have never been able to google them. I am sure someone will jump right in on sharing info on this one.
I find both these modern trailers and the WWII tracked trailers something to look into further!
Regards to all!
Frenchy
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Posted: Monday, January 30, 2017 - 02:36 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Very Interesting!
I occasionally will see D-Day photos of medium sized tracked US trailers left on the beach. Do not know what they were called so I have never been able to google them.
"Trailer, Athey, Track laying, 6-ton, BT 898-1 or 894-4, SNL G-123"
You can even buy (a postwar) one
There was a 20-ton version as well (ET1076-1) :
http://69.5.4.225/idphoto/id_photos_athey_tracked_trailer.php
H.P.
165thspc
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Posted: Monday, January 30, 2017 - 02:59 AM UTC
All are interesting topics. Thank You
ReluctantRenegade
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Posted: Tuesday, February 07, 2017 - 02:00 PM UTC
Found another picture of the Latrun tracked trailer...
ReluctantRenegade
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Posted: Sunday, February 12, 2017 - 11:43 PM UTC
The trailer above in action during the "War of Attrition".
ReluctantRenegade
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Posted: Sunday, February 12, 2017 - 11:55 PM UTC
I've managed to find another picture of the trailer in question...
jasegreene
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Posted: Monday, February 13, 2017 - 12:27 AM UTC
The trailer of this trailer is Agalat NATAP(Carriage NATAP).The other trailer is known as the Agalat Rezon Hayyim(Carriage Rezon Hayyim).
ReluctantRenegade
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Posted: Monday, February 13, 2017 - 02:16 AM UTC
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The trailer of this trailer is Agalat NATAP(Carriage NATAP).The other trailer is known as the Agalat Rezon Hayyim(Carriage Rezon Hayyim).
Yepp, just learned that myself today. NTP stands for "Nose Tankim Pgu'im" (damaged tanks carrier).
Das_Abteilung
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Posted: Monday, February 13, 2017 - 04:08 AM UTC
Interesting ex-M51 driver training tank with non-standard exhaust pipe on the Latrun trailer
ReluctantRenegade
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Posted: Monday, February 13, 2017 - 12:01 PM UTC
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Interesting ex-M51 driver training tank with non-standard exhaust pipe on the Latrun trailer
The engine-deck mounted exhaust-pipe appeared on the "Degem Gimel" (Type C) around 1975.
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