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KruppCake
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Posted: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 - 10:13 PM UTC
Hello all,

Would anyone happen to have references relating to King Tiger 1+09 specifically? Any ideas on the camo?

Thanks in advance!
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Posted: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 - 11:33 PM UTC
Which unit and date? There will likely have been several with that tac number.
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Posted: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 - 11:34 PM UTC
King tiger 1+09 from Schwere Panzer Abteilung 506 had Zimmerit and 3 tone soft-edge camouflage.
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Posted: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 - 11:42 PM UTC

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Which unit and date? There will likely have been several with that tac number.



Any 506, I believe. It was quite unique. It has late type tracks, a smooth mantlet, and zimmerit. I couldn't find much other information.
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Posted: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 - 11:43 PM UTC

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King tiger 1+09 from Schwere Panzer Abteilung 506 had Zimmerit and 3 tone soft-edge camouflage.



Any ideas as to the pattern?
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Posted: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 - 12:08 AM UTC
This one ?



Here's another one from the same unit (Schwere Panzer-Abteilung 506] but I can't vouch for the camo accuracy...



H.P.
KruppCake
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Posted: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 - 12:12 AM UTC

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This one ?



Here's another one from the same unit (Schwere Panzer-Abteilung 506] but I can't vouch for the camo accuracy...



H.P.



Yes, the black and white photo is the one I am referring to. It would be helpful if I could get the camo scheme for that one, but worst case scenario, if no one has it, the pic you added below is still good.
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Posted: Thursday, February 02, 2017 - 01:14 AM UTC

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Which unit and date? There will likely have been several with that tac number.


The Army 506th battalion was the only King Tiger outfit to separate the company number on the left side of the cross, from the two-digit tank number on the right (they didn't bother with platoon numbers--the tanks in each company were speed numbered 01 through 14, on the assumption that expedient battle groups would be assembled daily as tanks from individual platoons were deadlined for maintenance).

By historical accident, King Tigers from the 506th were rarely photographed (while the Army 503rd was repeatedly filmed and photographed by propaganda units, creating the impression that there was more uniformity in cammo and markings than was really the case).
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Posted: Thursday, February 02, 2017 - 01:28 AM UTC

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Which unit and date? There will likely have been several with that tac number.


The Army 506th battalion was the only King Tiger outfit to separate the company number on the left side of the cross, from the two-digit tank number on the right (they didn't bother with platoon numbers--the tanks in each company were speed numbered 01 through 14, on the assumption that expedient battle groups would be assembled daily as tanks from individual platoons were deadlined for maintenance).

By historical accident, King Tigers from the 506th were rarely photographed (while the Army 503rd was repeatedly filmed and photographed by propaganda units, creating the impression that there was more uniformity in cammo and markings than was really the case).



Interesting! And rather unfortunate that they weren't photographed more.
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Posted: Thursday, February 02, 2017 - 05:40 AM UTC
Given the quality of the pic in terms of colour placement you tend to have some licence for your camo pattern.

If your on Facebook join a group called Tiger tracks there's often a stack of info to be gained from posting a pick like this on that page, if you don't have FB it's almost worth it just for that aspect alone.

I did my one of this turret number a few months ago used the dragon box art plus some other soft edge schemes from that time frame and went to town and created my own interpretation of 1 09.
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Posted: Thursday, February 02, 2017 - 06:59 AM UTC

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Given the quality of the pic in terms of colour placement you tend to have some licence for your camo pattern.

If your on Facebook join a group called Tiger tracks there's often a stack of info to be gained from posting a pick like this on that page, if you don't have FB it's almost worth it just for that aspect alone.

I did my one of this turret number a few months ago used the dragon box art plus some other soft edge schemes from that time frame and went to town and created my own interpretation of 1 09.



Thanks, I'll have to boot up the old Facebook account and check out the page. I'm using dragon kit 6303 with aftermarket smooth mantlet and late type tracks. I also got a photo etch fret but I'm not sure what exact configuration 1+09 had. It may be even better if there isn't an exact reference, it leaves more room for creativity. I might even stick a machine gun on top if I can get my hands on one.
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Posted: Thursday, February 02, 2017 - 09:30 AM UTC
Gents, my apologies for what is perhaps an amateur question: is it safe to assume that this KT would have rolled out of the factory with full side skirts and would have lost them along the way to battle damage?
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Posted: Thursday, February 02, 2017 - 10:47 AM UTC
About the camo pattern, there are some pictures of a finished Eduard King Tiger kit of 1+09 here.

http://www.hobbyeasy.com/en/data/gj48gigrxiskpubhosod.html

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And some more for 1+06, this one has zimmerit.

http://www.platz-hobby.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=1470&language=en

Hope this help.

Paul
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Posted: Friday, February 03, 2017 - 05:49 AM UTC

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Gents, my apologies for what is perhaps an amateur question: is it safe to assume that this KT would have rolled out of the factory with full side skirts and would have lost them along the way to battle damage?



The tank would be issued with a full set of skirts (they were thin standoff armor, not just sheet metal mudguards, other than the curved front sections).

The skirts had to be removed and the narrow transportation tracks fitted whenever the tank was moved by rail. Sometimes the skirts were lost, or the tanks had to be rushed into action before the skirts were refitted. And yes, sometimes roadside obstructions would snag the skirts and the mounting bolts would break off.
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Posted: Friday, February 03, 2017 - 06:00 AM UTC

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Gents, my apologies for what is perhaps an amateur question: is it safe to assume that this KT would have rolled out of the factory with full side skirts and would have lost them along the way to battle damage?



The tank would be issued with a full set of skirts (they were thin standoff armor, not just sheet metal mudguards, other than the curved front sections).

The skirts had to be removed and the narrow transportation tracks fitted whenever the tank was moved by rail. Sometimes the skirts were lost, or the tanks had to be rushed into action before the skirts were refitted. And yes, sometimes roadside obstructions would snag the skirts and the mounting bolts would break off.



Thanks!
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