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DML 15cm s.I.G 33/2 (Sf) auf Jagdpanzer 38(t)
PvtMutt
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Posted: Friday, March 03, 2017 - 05:09 AM UTC
I found the below info here:
www.tanks-encyclopedia.com
Most history books, museums and websites state that 30 of these Jagdpanzer 38(t) variant SPGs were built. The only known photographs of the 15 cm s.I.G 33/2 (Sf) auf Jagdpanzer 38(t) are of the prototype at the factory. Why are there no operational or trials photographs of this vehicle?
The official order exists requesting six to be built by converting existing Jagdpanzer 38(t) chassis and a further twenty four to be built on new chassis by December 1944. No documentation has yet been found to confirm that the order had been completed or delivered.
It is assumed that they were issued to schwere infanterie-geschutz (heavy infantry gun) companies of armored infantry regiments on the Eastern Front, but the exact ones have so far not been identified. No regimental records have been found showing receipt and deployment of these weapons. There are no Soviet photographs of captured or knocked out wrecks of this type of vehicle. None have so far been identified in photographs of Allied German military vehicle scrap yards in Western Europe.
At present it cannot be confirmed that thirty 15 cm s.I.G 33/2 (Sf) auf Jagdpanzer 38(t) Hetzer were built even though an official order was issued authorising their manufacture. It can only be confirmed that a prototype was constructed.
Spielberger’s book ‘Panzer-35t/38t’ on page 171 -172 states that an additional 30 were built between December 1944 and February 1945 and used as a support vehicle for the Panzergrenadiers. Six converted from existing Jagdpanzer 38(t) chassis and 24 newly built.
Note:- Unfinished Jagdpanzer 38(t) Hetzers would come from a holding area off the production line. It was not uncommon for production completion to be held up waiting for the main gun to be finished in a different or separate part of the factory.
Specifications
Dimensions 4.83 (without gun) x 2.59 x 1.87 m
(15’10” x 8’6″ x 6’1″)
Total weight, battle ready 15.75 metric tonnes (34,722 lbs)
Armament 15cm (5.9 in) schweres Infanterie Geschütz 33 howitzer
Armor 8 to 60 mm (0.3 – 2.36 in)
Crew 4 (driver, commander, gunner, loader)
Propulsion Praga 6-cyl gas. 160 hp@2,800 rpm (118 kW), 10 hp/t
Speed 42 km/h (26 mph)
Suspension Torsion bar
Range 177 km (110 miles)
Total production 1 (or 30)
I normally don't build anything that was never placed into production but according to the above that's a limbo question therefore I placed a request to Armorama to do a review build of this neat looking unit.
These are the only photos known to exist of the prototype and leaves the paint scheme wide open to the imagination of the builder.
As soon as it's delivered i'll get started on it.
See you then
Tony lee
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Posted: Friday, March 03, 2017 - 06:34 AM UTC
Very nice Tony,look forward to your usual outstanding stuff.
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Posted: Friday, March 03, 2017 - 07:01 AM UTC
I've been looking forward to seeing this kit so I'll be following.
PvtMutt
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Posted: Friday, March 03, 2017 - 08:23 AM UTC
Guys i've been looking forward to it too.
I want to know just what "NEO Tracks" are all about???????
Thanks for checking in.
Tony lee
I want to know just what "NEO Tracks" are all about???????
Thanks for checking in.
Tony lee
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Posted: Friday, March 03, 2017 - 01:34 PM UTC
Hi Tony
I think they are Dragon's naming of what we know as link and length. Runs of track moulded combined with individual links to go around sprockets and idlers.
Alan
I think they are Dragon's naming of what we know as link and length. Runs of track moulded combined with individual links to go around sprockets and idlers.
Alan
Posted: Friday, March 03, 2017 - 01:49 PM UTC
Looking forward to your build Tony.
PvtMutt
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Posted: Saturday, March 04, 2017 - 04:34 AM UTC
The kit was dropped off this afternoon
Tomorrow is a day off and i'll start on it Monday so hang around.
Tony lee
Tomorrow is a day off and i'll start on it Monday so hang around.
Tony lee
PvtMutt
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Posted: Saturday, March 04, 2017 - 11:28 PM UTC
Update #1
Getting Started:
Since there was nothing worth watching on TV last night and the first four steps were simple enough I went ahead and cleaned and or install the called for items.
The rear of the idler housing is open but the instructions doesn't call for filling those until step #16 but I installed those parts now anyway.
Head scratcher time:
I guess Dragon thought you didn't need a way to mount the suspension springs to the housings or at least let the customer figure it out.
What I did.
There's a hole in the housing and another in the back side of the spring mount that a piece of 3/64th rod just fits.
If you glue the rod in the spring and not the housing plus if you were careful when gluing the swing arm caps on you'll end up with an articulating suspension.
I plan to paint the lower hull and wheels tomorrow in preparation to assemble these "Neo Tracks" other wise known as "length and link tracks".
Until tomorrow have a good one folks
Tony lee
Getting Started:
Since there was nothing worth watching on TV last night and the first four steps were simple enough I went ahead and cleaned and or install the called for items.
The rear of the idler housing is open but the instructions doesn't call for filling those until step #16 but I installed those parts now anyway.
Head scratcher time:
I guess Dragon thought you didn't need a way to mount the suspension springs to the housings or at least let the customer figure it out.
What I did.
There's a hole in the housing and another in the back side of the spring mount that a piece of 3/64th rod just fits.
If you glue the rod in the spring and not the housing plus if you were careful when gluing the swing arm caps on you'll end up with an articulating suspension.
I plan to paint the lower hull and wheels tomorrow in preparation to assemble these "Neo Tracks" other wise known as "length and link tracks".
Until tomorrow have a good one folks
Tony lee
PvtMutt
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Posted: Tuesday, March 07, 2017 - 09:07 PM UTC
Update #2
Here's what we've got after just two days of construction.
So far other than the spring mounting issue it's a very simple process getting the Hetzer to this point.
I decided to go with a salvage reclamation viewpoint of one of the first six built from repaired Hetzer Jagdpanzers.
Photo of how well the "Neo Tracks" fit with some careful placement. The Idlers have a sloppy fit and it's a little difficult to get them set just right so the links mate up.
Not bad but I still prefer Magic Tracks or AM indy links.
There's more to come so i'll see you later folks.
Tony lee
Here's what we've got after just two days of construction.
So far other than the spring mounting issue it's a very simple process getting the Hetzer to this point.
I decided to go with a salvage reclamation viewpoint of one of the first six built from repaired Hetzer Jagdpanzers.
Photo of how well the "Neo Tracks" fit with some careful placement. The Idlers have a sloppy fit and it's a little difficult to get them set just right so the links mate up.
Not bad but I still prefer Magic Tracks or AM indy links.
There's more to come so i'll see you later folks.
Tony lee
PvtMutt
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Posted: Wednesday, March 08, 2017 - 06:46 AM UTC
CJ3B
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Posted: Wednesday, March 08, 2017 - 06:44 PM UTC
Very nice!
Did you run into any issues with the instructions? I am about to finish Dragon's Bergehetzer 38t with the 2cm flak... found 3 errors in the instructions, if not mistaken.
Also... photo hosting... who are you using? I am having a HUGE issue with Photobucket... wont let me copy the links for image posting here in armorama.
Did you run into any issues with the instructions? I am about to finish Dragon's Bergehetzer 38t with the 2cm flak... found 3 errors in the instructions, if not mistaken.
Also... photo hosting... who are you using? I am having a HUGE issue with Photobucket... wont let me copy the links for image posting here in armorama.
PvtMutt
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Posted: Wednesday, March 08, 2017 - 09:25 PM UTC
Jorge no problems with the instructions because there's not that many parts. The box is full of sprue trees but most of it will go in your spares collection.
I use Photobucket,the only problem with them is their off and on maintenance outages.
Appreciate your comment,Thanks
Tony lee
I use Photobucket,the only problem with them is their off and on maintenance outages.
Appreciate your comment,Thanks
Tony lee
Blaubar
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Posted: Wednesday, March 08, 2017 - 10:10 PM UTC
Great progress on this one here and such a weird vehicle. I will be following your progress with great interest and thanks for sharing this.
/Stefan
/Stefan
PvtMutt
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Posted: Thursday, March 09, 2017 - 12:12 AM UTC
You're welcome Stef.
It's an Armorama sample kit and i'm building it for the site as a review build.
Thanks
Tony lee
It's an Armorama sample kit and i'm building it for the site as a review build.
Thanks
Tony lee
Posted: Thursday, March 09, 2017 - 02:49 AM UTC
Looks like it builds quick Tony, not much interior bits to work with? This NEO tracks, they're just link-and-length right, nothing fancy? Cheers, Tat
PvtMutt
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Posted: Thursday, March 09, 2017 - 04:25 AM UTC
Tat it has a engine but not any open hatches and a driver compartment that you can't really see because of the gun in the way.
I put the items in the drivers compartment anyway just to have something to do.
Like I said not a lot of parts and what is used fit great with very very little clean up.
Yep just common link and length tracks.
Got to go storms coming in close now,later and thanks.
Tony lee
I put the items in the drivers compartment anyway just to have something to do.
Like I said not a lot of parts and what is used fit great with very very little clean up.
Yep just common link and length tracks.
Got to go storms coming in close now,later and thanks.
Tony lee
PvtMutt
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Posted: Friday, March 10, 2017 - 05:18 AM UTC
Update #4
More details added:
Once again Dragon omitted the tow cable even though it's visible in the prototype photos. I added the tow cable and "S" hooks from my extra part stash.
There's a few more doodads to install before I can call the construction phase complete.
80 degrees yesterday and snow moving in by morning.
Later Folks
Tony lee
More details added:
Once again Dragon omitted the tow cable even though it's visible in the prototype photos. I added the tow cable and "S" hooks from my extra part stash.
There's a few more doodads to install before I can call the construction phase complete.
80 degrees yesterday and snow moving in by morning.
Later Folks
Tony lee
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Posted: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 - 02:56 AM UTC
PvtMutt
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Posted: Friday, March 17, 2017 - 04:50 AM UTC
PvtMutt
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Posted: Sunday, April 30, 2017 - 01:41 AM UTC
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Posted: Sunday, April 30, 2017 - 02:45 AM UTC
It looks good but you need to fix the links to your pictures.
PvtMutt
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Posted: Sunday, April 30, 2017 - 03:14 AM UTC
What's wrong with the links Mike??????
That's the first time anyone has said anything about them.
Tony lee
That's the first time anyone has said anything about them.
Tony lee
Posted: Sunday, April 30, 2017 - 04:01 AM UTC
Looks nice Tony -- I like the idea of leaving the upper structure in primer. Curious why the barrel's inside is in silver -- a newly installed gun perhaps
Tat
Tat
PvtMutt
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Posted: Sunday, April 30, 2017 - 04:47 AM UTC
Tat this is one of the first six ordered by high command that was built from salvaged Hetzer Jagdpanzers.
So I built it to represent a unit on the assembly line built from salvaged and or reconditioned parts and that's the reason for all the different colored parts.
I hear you,that barrel shines like a diamond in a goat's butt huh:D
Thanks for the good words buddy
Tony lee
So I built it to represent a unit on the assembly line built from salvaged and or reconditioned parts and that's the reason for all the different colored parts.
I hear you,that barrel shines like a diamond in a goat's butt huh:D
Thanks for the good words buddy
Tony lee
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Posted: Sunday, April 30, 2017 - 05:47 AM UTC
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What's wrong with the links Mike??????
That's the first time anyone has said anything about them.
Tony lee
Nothing now. I was getting the small boxes with the broken link icon earlier on many of the pictures.