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A "FOR" question.
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Posted: Sunday, February 22, 2004 - 11:13 PM UTC
Can anyone tell me which "FOR" when and where took place (SFOR, IFOR, KFOR, etc.) ? I need to put somekind of FOR on my Humvee.
I was thinking about Kosovo/Bosnia during the late '90's. To make it a historically correct situation my Humvee has the Sincgars radio and a .50 with some fired bullets lying around ! Hope this helps.

Thanks in advance,
Marc
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Posted: Sunday, February 22, 2004 - 11:30 PM UTC
IFOR - Bosnia from 20 December 1995 to 20 December 1996
SFOR - Bosnia since 20 December 1996
KFOR - Kosovo since 12 June 1999

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Pawel
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Posted: Monday, February 23, 2004 - 03:28 AM UTC

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Can anyone tell me which "FOR" when and where took place (SFOR, IFOR, KFOR, etc.) ?



Vodnik pretty much answered your question. Just so you have a juicy bit of military trivia to leverage for a free beer with your buddies.....

FOR stands for FORCE, I.E. SFOR is Stabilization Force, KFOR is Kosovo FORCE, IFOR I think stood for International Force (??) but I'm not 100 percent on that.
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Posted: Monday, February 23, 2004 - 03:41 AM UTC

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IFOR I think stood for International Force (??) but I'm not 100 percent on that.



IFOR stands for Implementation Force - force created to enforce implementation of military aspects of Dayton Peace Agreement.

Rgds,
Pawel
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Posted: Monday, February 23, 2004 - 04:29 AM UTC
One thing to keep in mind is that some of the "less than high speed units", (I won't say lazy). "Forget" to or don't do a good job painting over the pass deployment markings. Here in Germany I've seen $FOR and while in Iraq I saw a couple IFOR vehicles.
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Posted: Monday, February 23, 2004 - 01:24 PM UTC
If you model any Canadian KFOR vehicles, remember to leave off the license plates. We took off all identifying marks.
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Posted: Monday, February 23, 2004 - 02:01 PM UTC

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IFOR - Bosnia from 20 December 1995 to 20 December 1996
SFOR - Bosnia since 20 December 1996
KFOR - Kosovo since 12 June 1999

Regards,
Pawel



Well when 1st Infantry Division was relieveing 1st Armored Division in September/October of 1996 they where already painted with SFOR markings on them. I was there so
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Posted: Monday, February 23, 2004 - 07:49 PM UTC

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If you model any Canadian KFOR vehicles, remember to leave off the license plates. We took off all identifying marks.



I am building a US Humvee. On the US vehicles I noticed most ( if not all ) identifying marks were removed or painted over. Can anyone comment on that ?

Thanx
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Posted: Monday, February 23, 2004 - 08:34 PM UTC

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Well when 1st Infantry Division was relieveing 1st Armored Division in September/October of 1996 they where already painted with SFOR markings on them. I was there so



Well, UN mandate for IFOR operations expired on 20 December 1996, but decision to convert NATO forces in Bosnia to SFOR was made on 25-26 September 1996 at an informal meeting of NATO Defence Ministers in Bergen, Norway. So it is possible that after that date units arriving to Bosnia already carried SFOR markings, despite being formally still part of IFOR.

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Pawel
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Posted: Friday, February 27, 2004 - 03:24 PM UTC

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am building a US Humvee. On the US vehicles I noticed most ( if not all ) identifying marks were removed or painted over. Can anyone comment on that ?



From what I can remember it was quite common, I was just a Private so I'm not 100% sure. I do know the Brits kept their's on because I remember recording the plate numbers of Warriors when I was on gate gaurd in "Springfield"!
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Posted: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 - 11:43 AM UTC
By 2000, in Kosovo, 1 AD's vehicles carried Unit ID numbers, as well as individual bumper numbers in addition to the KFOR stencil. Some units also used paint or stickers to put Call Signs or Vehicle names on the windshield. Here is an example from my unit:

http://www.armouredengineer.force9.co.uk/bucket/fistv2.htm

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