Looking to build a non ACAV option, any gotchas to look out for? I know enough of the M113 to know it's complicated.
I plan to replace the track with AFV club.
I was thinking about ROK version but some photos suggest a bright green and OD camo, not yellow and OD? I am not 100% sure I am looking at the same vehicle that Academy wanted to represent.
Would these interiors be white or sea foam green?
What Tamiya or Vallejo colors would be good for Australian, ROK or US flame?
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Tank1812
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Posted: Monday, April 03, 2017 - 07:47 PM UTC
Sorry I can't answer all your questions, the interior should be foam green and as for the tracks the AFV Club ones are mediocre.
I'd go for the best if I were you : the Modelkasten workable M113 tracks, they can be found for about $20 if you look carefully, they are the only ones IMVHO that capture the delicate detail and shapes even the Friul metal ones look clumsy in comparison.
https://www.scalemates.com/products/img/5/7/6/537576-84-instructions.pdf
Cheers,
Christophe
I'd go for the best if I were you : the Modelkasten workable M113 tracks, they can be found for about $20 if you look carefully, they are the only ones IMVHO that capture the delicate detail and shapes even the Friul metal ones look clumsy in comparison.
https://www.scalemates.com/products/img/5/7/6/537576-84-instructions.pdf
Cheers,
Christophe
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Posted: Tuesday, April 04, 2017 - 04:58 PM UTC
Thanks. I found I already had a set of them.
I did find this article for the T50 turret and Australian LRV
http://www.mheaust.com.au/Aust/Research/M113T50/M113T50.htm
I found need to sand the second front shock, from WayneB's build
I need to add hull armor, from Mick's build,
and add a filter box.
His build is later so I am not sure what all applies a Vietnam build.
What type of grills do I need with a twin .30 cal build, did the traverse bar exist in the 60's and is it the notched left fender I need?
https://www.scalemates.com/products/img/1/7/1/186171-42-instructions.pdf
From what I found the Aussie OD green is different then US OD green, but I don't understand how different (using Tamiya or Vallejo colors) and if the LRV's where repainted when the T-50 was added?
I did find this article for the T50 turret and Australian LRV
http://www.mheaust.com.au/Aust/Research/M113T50/M113T50.htm
I found need to sand the second front shock, from WayneB's build
I need to add hull armor, from Mick's build,
and add a filter box.
His build is later so I am not sure what all applies a Vietnam build.
What type of grills do I need with a twin .30 cal build, did the traverse bar exist in the 60's and is it the notched left fender I need?
https://www.scalemates.com/products/img/1/7/1/186171-42-instructions.pdf
From what I found the Aussie OD green is different then US OD green, but I don't understand how different (using Tamiya or Vallejo colors) and if the LRV's where repainted when the T-50 was added?
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Posted: Tuesday, April 04, 2017 - 05:40 PM UTC
If you want to do an Australian version in Vietnam check these page out and see the top three links
http://www.mheaust.com.au/Aust/Austindex.htm
Mouse House do the range of Ausdtralian mods to M113A1s including authentic paints and decals
http://www.mheaust.com.au/MHE/Catalogue.htm and M113a1 guide
http://www.mheaust.com.au/MHE/OZ%20M113%20Guide.htm
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http://www.mheaust.com.au/Aust/Austindex.htm
Mouse House do the range of Ausdtralian mods to M113A1s including authentic paints and decals
http://www.mheaust.com.au/MHE/Catalogue.htm and M113a1 guide
http://www.mheaust.com.au/MHE/OZ%20M113%20Guide.htm
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Tank1812
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Posted: Tuesday, April 04, 2017 - 06:53 PM UTC
Quoted Text
If you want to do an Australian version in Vietnam check these page out and see the top three links
http://www.mheaust.com.au/Aust/Austindex.htm
Mouse House do the range of Ausdtralian mods to M113A1s including authentic paints and decals
http://www.mheaust.com.au/MHE/Catalogue.htm and M113a1 guide
http://www.mheaust.com.au/MHE/OZ%20M113%20Guide.htm
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Thanks for the reply. What is wrong with the Academy T50? I had seen their paint but trying not to extend the paint supply chain and hoping for something close with the other two brands.
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What is wrong with the Academy T50?
The turret shape is simply...off
:
H.P.
Tank1812
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Posted: Tuesday, April 04, 2017 - 08:06 PM UTC
Thanks HP. How off we talking? I have tried to find the red line photos or something similar showing the issue but my googlefu has not found any visual help.
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Posted: Tuesday, April 04, 2017 - 08:37 PM UTC
Here you can find the instructions :
https://www.model-making.eu/products/item_name-104717.html
The turret side view is off as well (and even worse than the kit turret !), but is shows that the turret is too tall...
Just found a close-up :
and here's the 1:1 one :
H.P.
https://www.model-making.eu/products/item_name-104717.html
The turret side view is off as well (and even worse than the kit turret !), but is shows that the turret is too tall...
Just found a close-up :
and here's the 1:1 one :
H.P.
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Posted: Wednesday, April 05, 2017 - 05:11 AM UTC
Thanks Frenchy.
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Found some conflicting photos, I think these are basically the same area and timeframe but the right rear bumper vehicle number and red roo are not always there. Any ideas why?
https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/P05132.013
https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/P05132.007
https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/P05132.005
Any one have a spare yellow shield and red roo in 1/35?
https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/P05132.013
https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/P05132.007
https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/P05132.005
Any one have a spare yellow shield and red roo in 1/35?
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Posted: Wednesday, April 05, 2017 - 10:26 PM UTC
Notice the different storage and fender damage on the three tracks? Bag on one, cans on another, a damaged rear fender. Either they are three different vehicles or one over a period of time. Things on armored vehicles change daily even hourly...
I'd say they are at least two different vehicles. One has the damaged fender and red 'roo. The other has no 'roo and a number on the fender( barely visible on right rear fender in first picture) And carrying either a bag on the back, another with jerry cans and the other has the smoke grenades on the back.
I'd say they are at least two different vehicles. One has the damaged fender and red 'roo. The other has no 'roo and a number on the fender( barely visible on right rear fender in first picture) And carrying either a bag on the back, another with jerry cans and the other has the smoke grenades on the back.
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Posted: Wednesday, April 05, 2017 - 10:44 PM UTC
I had viewed the damaged fender as an early or late time period and/or replacement parts.
Two vehicles makes sense as per that website looking around there seems to be two vehicles, "& Tears" and "& Tears II" both had 31A. One had a red square the other a blue triangle.
https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/P05281.002
https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/P07837.036
Two vehicles makes sense as per that website looking around there seems to be two vehicles, "& Tears" and "& Tears II" both had 31A. One had a red square the other a blue triangle.
https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/P05281.002
https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/P07837.036
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In Michael K.Cecil's "Australian military equipment profiles vol. 4 "The M113 & M113A1 armoured personnel carriers in Australian service 1962 to 1972", you can find a list of M113A1 APC's of the Cavalry Squadron in South Vietnam. Listed there are at least 3 different T50-fitted M113A1's with "31A" callsign :
ARN 134296 (B Sqd 3 Cav Reg) in October 1969
ARN 134243 ( idem ) in June 1970
ARN 134312 (A Sqd 3 Cav Reg) in August 1971
Two other "31A" APC's fitted with a single .50 Cal. MG are listed as well...
H.P.
ARN 134296 (B Sqd 3 Cav Reg) in October 1969
ARN 134243 ( idem ) in June 1970
ARN 134312 (A Sqd 3 Cav Reg) in August 1971
Two other "31A" APC's fitted with a single .50 Cal. MG are listed as well...
H.P.
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Interesting, so maybe what they really meant for the 4288 decal, was 4296. That seems easy enough to mix up on a poor or long distance photo.
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On a side note, ARN 134288 (callsign "84") belonged to B Sqd 3 Cav Reg. Its T50 turret was armed with a .50 + .30 MGs combo.
H.P.
H.P.
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Posted: Thursday, April 06, 2017 - 04:45 AM UTC
Quoted Text
I have a set of firestorm dry transfers with the roos and shield. I probably won't use them so send me a pm. WayneFound some conflicting photos, I think these are basically the same area and timeframe but the right rear bumper vehicle number and red roo are not always there. Any ideas why?
https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/P05132.013
https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/P05132.007
https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/P05132.005
Any one have a spare yellow shield and red roo in 1/35?
Frenchy
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Posted: Thursday, April 06, 2017 - 07:44 PM UTC
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Interesting, so maybe what they really meant for the 4288 decal, was 4296. That seems easy enough to mix up on a poor or long distance photo.
However that may be, the white "4288" marking is way too big
Here's a picture of "Blood" (Callsign 31) :
and here's "Sweat" :
H.P.
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Posted: Thursday, April 06, 2017 - 09:37 PM UTC
Kinda like the trio of names.
For paint, I am thinking XF-74 JGSDF Olive Drab as the base coat for the US Army vehicle color then a weathered XF-62 Olive Drab + XF-15 Flesh on top for the Aussie color.
Question, what is the white bar? I don't think the Aussies had that but hard to tell from photos.
I don't see it here
But I do here
For paint, I am thinking XF-74 JGSDF Olive Drab as the base coat for the US Army vehicle color then a weathered XF-62 Olive Drab + XF-15 Flesh on top for the Aussie color.
Question, what is the white bar? I don't think the Aussies had that but hard to tell from photos.
I don't see it here
But I do here
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Posted: Thursday, April 06, 2017 - 10:18 PM UTC
I believe that is the locking bar for when the hood with the grills is raised. I think it secured to the u shaped bracket you can see in the first pic between the grills. The T50 turret would probably have not allowed space for it. Wayne
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Thanks Wayne. That's one more item to remove from the roof.
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Kinda like the trio of names.
Here's the complete trio
These vehicles are from 31 section, part of A (Alpha) troop, A Squadron, 3rd Cavalry Regiment.
H.P.
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Posted: Friday, April 07, 2017 - 12:06 AM UTC
They had another nicely named trio - 'The Good' (86), 'The Bad' (86A) and 'The Ugly' (86B).
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Talking about the hull mods for the T50 turret fitting, the drivers hatch hinges had to be relocated to a position 23° to the left of the hatch longitudinal centreline. As a consequence, the hatch overhung the side of the APC by about 38mm when in the locked open position.
H.P.
H.P.
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Posted: Friday, April 07, 2017 - 01:00 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Quoted TextKinda like the trio of names.
Here's the complete trio
These vehicles are from 31 section, part of A (Alpha) troop, A Squadron, 3rd Cavalry Regiment.
H.P.
I found this photo very interesting. There's another well known photo with three M106's laid in the triangle. Looked like a similar A.O., but also may have been deep in the rubber plantations. The photo posted was not in the plantations.
gary
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Posted: Friday, April 07, 2017 - 01:51 AM UTC
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Talking about the hull mods for the T50 turret fitting, the drivers hatch hinges had to be relocated to a position 23° to the left of the hatch longitudinal centreline. As a consequence, the hatch overhung the side of the APC by about 38mm when in the locked open position.
H.P.
Correct, Austmouse had this link with changes needed.
http://www.mheaust.com.au/Aust/Research/M113T50/M113T50.htm
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