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Dragon: IDF M3 Mortar Carrier
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Posted: Wednesday, April 19, 2017 - 01:30 PM UTC


The latest announcement from Dragon is a model of a WWII American M3 halftrack, but with all the suitable modifications needed to represent an Israeli M3 in the Six-Day War period.

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Posted: Wednesday, April 19, 2017 - 05:55 PM UTC
Cool !!
I love halftracks!
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Posted: Wednesday, April 19, 2017 - 07:17 PM UTC
A .30 and two .50's. We do love to love to add extra MG's to our AFV's...
If it's similar to regular one Darren just reviewed, than it's bad news...
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Posted: Wednesday, April 19, 2017 - 10:41 PM UTC

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A .30 and two .50's. We do love to love to add extra MG's to our AFV's...
If it's similar to regular one Darren just reviewed, than it's bad news...



If it is this review we are talking about then I'm not worried:
https://armorama.kitmaker.net/review/13105
Minor issues. I have adjusted parts before (drill or fill hole, remove small bits from larger parts). Incomplete and/or confusing instructions is nothing new and I never worry too much about the instruction sequences anyway. I leave all the small parts for as late as possible and make sure that I choose an assembly sequence that will prevent breaking small parts.

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Posted: Thursday, April 20, 2017 - 03:11 AM UTC
Did the mortar half tracks really have a .30 mount in the windscreen? I thought that was just in the APC version.
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Posted: Thursday, April 20, 2017 - 03:20 AM UTC

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Did the mortar half tracks really have a .30 mount in the windscreen? I thought that was just in the APC version.





The image above would indicate: No
but I'm definitely no expert on IDF halftracks ...
Image found here:
http://www.network54.com/Forum/47209/thread/1377092758/last-1377105424/View+Thread

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Posted: Thursday, April 20, 2017 - 04:15 AM UTC
Here's an idea...how's about an SU-57.
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Posted: Thursday, April 20, 2017 - 11:38 AM UTC
ENORMOUS issues with this kit if it turns out like the CAD.

As far as I can determine ALL 120mm mortar carriers were built on IHC half tracks, ie NOT bolted hulls like the M3 which were used to mount the 81mm mortar.

The internal stowage is partly correct for one of the variants of 120mm carrier, however that one didn't have the co ax gun mount.

Additionally the 'modelled' version doesn't have 2 rear stowage racks, only one on the LHS , the mortar baseplate is carried on the right.

I certainly won't be buying this one, but has given me impetus to start my model which will based on a DML kit converted to a M9 first.

looks like a Black Label design team jib!!!!.

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Posted: Thursday, April 20, 2017 - 03:07 PM UTC
Hi Mark
Have you seen a pre diesel upgrade ht with those ammo sheet metal bins, cant remember seeing a photo of one, just the round tube version.
Iam getting tired of slagging off dragons idf halftracks
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Posted: Thursday, April 20, 2017 - 06:00 PM UTC
I think so, isn't the one in the post above by Robin one?, it certainly isn't re-engined and I can't see the tubes. From memory there are two 120 mm versions, 1 'heavy' and 1 'light', obvious differences are the 'heavy' doesn't have the MG mount and uses the box stowage (the one that I used to appear with at Beltring was one of those), the 'light' one uses the tube stowage and has the MG mount. I cant recall if the light has the rear mounted baseplate stowage, the heavy certainly does.

It's all moot as the vehicle should be a M9 anyway
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Posted: Thursday, April 20, 2017 - 09:39 PM UTC
correction to above, it appears that both stowage configurations are used on the heavy vehicle and that most of the 120mm carriers don't have the MG mount, however there is a pic in Tom G's 1/2 track book of a very early 120mm with the MG mount.

I guess as with most IDF stuff it's hard to generalise.

But my point still stands, above the base vehicle is incorrect!
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Posted: Thursday, April 20, 2017 - 11:40 PM UTC
What a missed opportunity.

But I can imagine the discussion in the executive offices.
"They were only on M9 halftracks. We could retool and do a new series..."
"Not in the budget. Wouldn't make a profit! Let me see the new bobble head figure..."
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Posted: Friday, April 21, 2017 - 12:12 AM UTC
[quote]correction to above, it appears that both stowage configurations are used on the heavy vehicle and that most of the 120mm carriers don't have the MG mount, however there is a pic in Tom G's 1/2 track book of a very early 120mm with the MG mount.

May be the same pic but think ive only ever seen one pic with the 30 cal visor, have seen a few with a rectangular base plate on the side and 2 stowage racks but in general only the one plus round base plate on back.
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Posted: Friday, April 21, 2017 - 09:15 PM UTC

Quoted Text

Did the mortar half tracks really have a .30 mount in the windscreen? I thought that was just in the APC version.



Apparently some of the 81 mm carriers did...







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