Hi. Sorry - don't know where to write.
I couldn't find information on the marking of vehicles.
I have -tiger model Panhard VBL (12.7 machine gun)
I need to know how marked this vbl in Lebanon. In 1980s.
How looked like the crew of this car?
Great thanx!
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Help about Panhard VBL

red_rus

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Posted: Saturday, May 20, 2017 - 10:38 PM UTC

Onkos1

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Posted: Saturday, May 20, 2017 - 11:45 PM UTC
Vbl hasn't been deployed to Lebanon in 1980's because it entered service in 1990.
But. Three vbl's in mexican spec were sent to Lebanon in late 80's, but to make this vehicle you would have to modify it a lot.
If you want to make a Unifil version than Star decals(i think) offers decals for it.
Crew looked like typical french soldier from the era wearing blue helmet instead camo.
Just like "the green man" exept they do admit where they came from...
But. Three vbl's in mexican spec were sent to Lebanon in late 80's, but to make this vehicle you would have to modify it a lot.
If you want to make a Unifil version than Star decals(i think) offers decals for it.
Crew looked like typical french soldier from the era wearing blue helmet instead camo.
Just like "the green man" exept they do admit where they came from...
Removed by original poster on 05/21/17 - 20:04:49 (GMT).

red_rus

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Posted: Sunday, May 21, 2017 - 01:05 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Vbl hasn't been deployed to Lebanon in 1980's because it entered service in 1990.
But. Three vbl's in mexican spec were sent to Lebanon in late 80's, but to make this vehicle you would have to modify it a lot.
If you want to make a Unifil version than Star decals(i think) offers decals for it.
Crew looked like typical french soldier from the era wearing blue helmet instead camo.
Just like "the green man" exept they do admit where they came from...
-Thanks, will do in Yugoslavia.
Changes here are not necessary?
Thank you, you are the only one who gave advice)

Frenchy

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Posted: Sunday, May 21, 2017 - 01:11 AM UTC
The first 3 VBL's sent to Lebanon in 1984 were similar to those ordered by the Mexican Army (in fact they were taken from the Mexican order. They had 2 air intakes on the engine hood instead of one. Here's a Mexican Army one picture showing this feature :

These VBL's were painted overall white, like later UNIFIL contigent vehicles, with prominent French flags on front,rear and doors.
Here's a FORPRONU VBL in Croatia in 1992 :

and a SFOR one in 1998 :

H.P.

These VBL's were painted overall white, like later UNIFIL contigent vehicles, with prominent French flags on front,rear and doors.
Here's a FORPRONU VBL in Croatia in 1992 :

and a SFOR one in 1998 :

H.P.

red_rus

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Posted: Sunday, May 21, 2017 - 01:17 AM UTC
Quoted Text
The first 3 VBL's sent to Lebanon in 1984 were similar to those ordered by the Mexican Army (in fact they were taken from the Mexican order. They had 2 air intakes on the engine hood instead of one. Here's a Mexican Army one picture showing this feature :
These VBL's were painted overall white, like later UNIFIL contigent vehicles, with prominent French flags on front,rear and doors.
H.P.
Fantastic! thank you. I am very glad you helped me) somewhere you can see Mexican cars, the full review?

Frenchy

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Posted: Sunday, May 21, 2017 - 01:37 AM UTC
Here's another view of a Mexican VBL (M-11) in digital camo :

and a short video :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wC9O4AL91A
H.P.

and a short video :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wC9O4AL91A
H.P.

red_rus

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Posted: Sunday, May 21, 2017 - 01:46 AM UTC
thanx a lot!

bison126

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Posted: Sunday, May 21, 2017 - 11:07 AM UTC
If I'm correct you have the Tiger Model kit with the 12,7 mm MG so your choice is "limited" to Lebanon circa 2006 (overall white) and/or Afghanistan/Mali and generally Africa (3 tone camo).
Olivier
Olivier

Onkos1

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Posted: Sunday, May 21, 2017 - 01:33 PM UTC
I have pictures of three vbl's in Lebanon. There are some modifications necessary to replicate them.
Tiger model kits are good fo Bosnia onwards versions. Check star decals for decals.
Tiger model kits are good fo Bosnia onwards versions. Check star decals for decals.

iguanac

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Posted: Sunday, May 21, 2017 - 01:46 PM UTC
Could this VBL be of any use (mid of the page)
http://www.balkanforum.info/f41/serbian-army-info-and-gallery-5008/index115.html
used by Serbian Gendarmerie, this vehicle vas "obtained" in Bosnia, trasferred to Serbia after Dayton, and used by Gendarmerie in various camouflages
http://www.balkanforum.info/f41/serbian-army-info-and-gallery-5008/index115.html
used by Serbian Gendarmerie, this vehicle vas "obtained" in Bosnia, trasferred to Serbia after Dayton, and used by Gendarmerie in various camouflages

vab75007

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Posted: Sunday, May 21, 2017 - 07:08 PM UTC
don't know if it can help you, here is my VBL



vab75007

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Posted: Sunday, May 21, 2017 - 07:19 PM UTC
and I also bought this set of decals:


red_rus

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Posted: Sunday, May 21, 2017 - 10:48 PM UTC
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I have pictures of three vbl's in Lebanon. There are some modifications necessary to replicate them.
Tiger model kits are good fo Bosnia onwards versions. Check star decals for decals.
-It's so interesting!Can I see pictures of three vbl's in Lebanon?

red_rus

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Posted: Sunday, May 21, 2017 - 10:49 PM UTC
So good, thanks!

red_rus

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Posted: Sunday, May 21, 2017 - 10:51 PM UTC
thank you.

red_rus

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Posted: Sunday, May 21, 2017 - 10:57 PM UTC
yes!
-It's modern time?
-Is this the only one version of camouflage in modern times?
Great thanx!

-It's modern time?
-Is this the only one version of camouflage in modern times?
Great thanx!

Frenchy

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Posted: Monday, May 22, 2017 - 12:57 AM UTC
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-It's so interesting!Can I see pictures of three vbl's in Lebanon?
Just send me a private message with your email adress and I'll send you a few.
H.P.
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