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Armor/AFV: IDF [Israeli Defense Forces]
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Early Tiran 4 rear bin, 3D print.
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Posted: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 - 05:43 AM UTC
I plan on building a 1973 Tiran 4 with the 105mm gun, and the early type of rear stowage bin. After a study of bins I came up with this design.

It is not finalized, but is what I think the bin looked like from the pictures on the net. I thought the bin was attached similar to the water/fuel can holders. Bolted on to round rods welded to the hull. I tried to keep it thin, so it might not print, I'll find out later this week.

Any thoughts, suggestions are welcome.

https://gallery.kitmaker.net/data/500/IDF_Bin_side.jpg
https://gallery.kitmaker.net/data/500/IDF_Bin_rear_view.jpg
https://gallery.kitmaker.net/data/500/IDF_Bin_over_view.jpg

And this is a bunch of the welded on tie straps. I'm not 100% sure these will print, but I'm going to give it a try.

https://gallery.kitmaker.net/data/500/IDF_strap_ties.jpg
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Posted: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 - 05:47 AM UTC
Forgot to do the image thing.





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Posted: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 - 06:55 AM UTC

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Hi Randell,

How large are these, please? I assume that these are the tie down loops on top of the turret bin. The reason I ask is. I could use some myself on an Achzarit I currently have underway.

Many thanks,

Kylie
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Hi Randell,

How large are these, please? I assume that these are the tie down loops on top of the turret bin. The reason I ask is. I could use some myself on an Achzarit I currently have underway.

Many thanks,

Kylie


Kylie,

I used a Tiran picture as a base for these, from the side of the turret bin. Most of these tend to be very crude, but that one has a very nice profile. These are not a factory made piece.

The tie strap is 1.7mm long, the base of the arc is 1.1mm wide and it is .74mm across the top. Thickness is .2mm.

I have been doing more checking on the pictures I have and I am going to make the thickness 3mm to make the bit stronger, and raise the arc a little. And, add a sprue tab.

Most of these on IDF tanks are longer, so I will add some variety and make some longer, 2mm and less nice.

Do you have a picture of a type in mind? These are easy to do.

Thanks,
Randy
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Posted: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 - 08:57 AM UTC
The revised loops. All are a bit larger, but still tiny.

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Posted: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 - 09:54 AM UTC
Have you seen the DEF Model Tiran 4/5 1973 conversion set? It has a photo etch bin it that would be perfect to use as a guide! I'm glad you're doing one in 3D, I much prefer that to photo etch.
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Posted: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 - 11:15 AM UTC

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The revised loops. All are a bit larger, but still tiny.



Yep, I'd take a set, please. I need nine for the rear cargo basket. Pm me the details, thank you.
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Posted: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 - 01:45 PM UTC

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Have you seen the DEF Model Tiran 4/5 1973 conversion set? It has a photo etch bin it that would be perfect to use as a guide! I'm glad you're doing one in 3D, I much prefer that to photo etch.


And a very nice bin it is too









Gary
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Posted: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 - 07:19 PM UTC
Florencio,
Gary,

The DEF set is very difficult to find, but I managed to get some dimensions from it. I've seen pictures of Gary's model and studied the rear bin, and all the pictures of the real bins I could find.

I thought the DEF bin was too narrow, and attached to the tank wrong.



In this side view you can see a gap between the bin and the rear hull, and 2 studs between the bin and hull, but no bolt heads on the side of the bin. Another view from the rear of another Tiran 4 shows 3 bolts holding the bin on.

These were the sources I used to make the bin. Once I find out if it will print out, it might be too thin, and work out a copy I will make it available.
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Posted: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 - 07:23 PM UTC

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The revised loops. All are a bit larger, but still tiny.



Yep, I'd take a set, please. I need nine for the rear cargo basket. Pm me the details, thank you.


Ok, give me a day to get the parts up at Shapeways and I'll send a PM.
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Posted: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 - 04:21 AM UTC
Randy,
What's your seller name on shape ways? Keith at Avalon
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Randy,
What's your seller name on shape ways? Keith at Avalon


Keith,

Tankmaker

Your dozer was fantastic BTW.

Thanks,
Randy

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Posted: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 - 06:08 AM UTC

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The revised loops. All are a bit larger, but still tiny.



Yep, I'd take a set, please. I need nine for the rear cargo basket. Pm me the details, thank you.


PM sent.
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Posted: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 - 06:11 AM UTC

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Have you seen the DEF Model Tiran 4/5 1973 conversion set? It has a photo etch bin it that would be perfect to use as a guide! I'm glad you're doing one in 3D, I much prefer that to photo etch.


And a very nice bin it is too









Gary


Gary,

All I have to say is WOW! Great model. I saved pictures of your models as how to guides.
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Posted: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 - 07:19 AM UTC
Randall

May be of use to you?

http://plasticarmour.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=428&hilit=Tiran+4

Gary
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Posted: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 - 08:16 AM UTC



Gary,

I've been lurking over there for a while.

I found your site googling Tiran's, saved it in my favorites, but have been too busy with health and home to join up.

Still, every time I look at the pics of your Tiran all I can think is WOW!
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Posted: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 - 11:17 PM UTC
Thanks Randy, high praise indeed coming from you…...
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Posted: Monday, July 17, 2017 - 10:55 AM UTC
I had to remove the IDF loops set from Shapeways. No matter what I did they wanted the wire size to be .6mm minimum, which would make the parts useless for the loops.

Once the technology catches up I will try again. This is more than aggravating since I have seen thinner items that came out with no problems.
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