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can fruil not tell left from right?
trakpin
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Posted: Friday, July 07, 2017 - 04:10 PM UTC
Centurion tracks, both runs are right sided. had a choice of either fitting the left side backwards with the bolt head out, or with track pin out
JSSVIII
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Posted: Friday, July 07, 2017 - 04:53 PM UTC
I'm pretty sure only some sets of Fruils are handed, I'm sure there is a list somewhere that tells which ones. I would guess that it is the more modern releases, but I could be wrong.
trakpin
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Posted: Friday, July 07, 2017 - 05:28 PM UTC
included was a slip of paper warning they're handed and to be careful 
bison126
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Posted: Friday, July 07, 2017 - 09:22 PM UTC
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included was a slip of paper warning they're handed and to be careful
This warning is included in every set of tracks handed or not. To my knowledge the only handed tracks are the WWII German Ostketten and similar US duck bill tracks.
Olivier
trakpin
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Posted: Saturday, July 08, 2017 - 01:10 AM UTC
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Quoted Textincluded was a slip of paper warning they're handed and to be careful
This warning is included in every set of tracks handed or not. To my knowledge the only handed tracks are the WWII German Ostketten and similar US duck bill tracks.
Olivier
well, that being the case, it would seem fruil has no packaging control. wonder if spruebrothers'll send the right side, being left
Halbcl2
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Posted: Saturday, July 08, 2017 - 01:35 AM UTC
Last year I purchased their set for the E-10, ATL-166.
The links were "handed" but for one run a quarter of the links were for the wrong side.
After several weeks, and repeated emails, I had heard nothing from Friulmodel's "Customer Service".
I guess the term translates poorly to English.
The links were "handed" but for one run a quarter of the links were for the wrong side.
After several weeks, and repeated emails, I had heard nothing from Friulmodel's "Customer Service".
I guess the term translates poorly to English.
KurtLaughlin
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Posted: Saturday, July 08, 2017 - 02:08 AM UTC
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well, that being the case, it would seem fruil has no packaging control. wonder if spruebrothers'll send the right side, being left
I don't think there are any tracks of your type out there that have the cast-in bolt on the other side. That would make them "handed", you see. The expectation is that one side will show the cast-in detail and the other side will show the hole and the end of the wire (or whatever you choose to put there to cover it up).
KL
trakpin
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Posted: Saturday, July 08, 2017 - 04:05 PM UTC
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Quoted Textwell, that being the case, it would seem fruil has no packaging control. wonder if spruebrothers'll send the right side, being left
I don't think there are any tracks of your type out there that have the cast-in bolt on the other side. That would make them "handed", you see. The expectation is that one side will show the cast-in detail and the other side will show the hole and the end of the wire (or whatever you choose to put there to cover it up).
KL
the alt65's did include bungs to plug the holes. chose not to use them as they're just TOO damn small, and would've likely lost at least half. they should've BEEN handed, so atleast the hole end would've been on the inside
KurtLaughlin
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Posted: Saturday, July 08, 2017 - 08:18 PM UTC
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the alt65's did include bungs to plug the holes. chose not to use them as they're just TOO damn small, and would've likely lost at least half. they should've BEEN handed, so atleast the hole end would've been on the inside
Out of curiosity, what did you pay for your set, and how much more would you be willing to pay for a handed set?
KL
GazzaS
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Posted: Sunday, July 09, 2017 - 02:53 AM UTC
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To my knowledge the only handed tracks are the WWII German Ostketten and similar US duck bill tracks.
Olivier
I've purchased four (4) different sets of Friuls for PZ III/IV Early, PZ III/IV Middle, PZ III/IV Late, and Tiger I Early and Late, and all were handed.
Gaz
Halbcl2
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Posted: Sunday, July 09, 2017 - 03:27 AM UTC
Let us not forget that Friul is not the only game in town.
I have purchased several sets of Master Club's metal tracks, from Armor35.ru and I consider them to be better than Friul. The casting is cleaner, and they come with exquisite resin pins to connect the links. I think that many sets have "sided" pins too.
I have purchased several sets of Master Club's metal tracks, from Armor35.ru and I consider them to be better than Friul. The casting is cleaner, and they come with exquisite resin pins to connect the links. I think that many sets have "sided" pins too.
JSSVIII
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Posted: Sunday, July 09, 2017 - 04:43 AM UTC
Hi Tom, I have just finished cleaning up Masterclub's metal links for the Object 279. I had to clean the flash and file the hinge points on almost ALL the links, yes folks, that's 400 links (filed to make the gaps a little wider so they would fit together, otherwise they wouldn't). After I finished those I decided to look at the set for the Conqueror by MC that I bought, and it looks like I'll be doing a lot more filing on these also. I really like their tracks, and the pins, but I have not had good luck with them so far, a LOT of cleanup.
GazzaS
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Posted: Sunday, July 09, 2017 - 05:45 AM UTC
Cleaning up 400track links + 800 Teeny little track pins + Gluing on 800 track horn guides = Some kind of special dedication.
Wow!!
Wow!!
JSSVIII
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Posted: Sunday, July 09, 2017 - 03:18 PM UTC
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Cleaning up 400track links + 800 Teeny little track pins + Gluing on 800 track horn guides = Some kind of special dedication.
Wow!!
Fortunately Gary, the track horns are molded in (there are 2 on each link), and the pins are very easy, and actually a pleasure to work with, compared to wire in my opinion.
The Object 279 is one of my favorite tanks, so I purchased the Masterclub set, but I'm not sure I would have had the drive to do all that work if I had known about the cleanup beforehand, that's why I'm mentioning it here.
trakpin
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Posted: Sunday, July 09, 2017 - 04:07 PM UTC
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Quoted Textthe alt65's did include bungs to plug the holes. chose not to use them as they're just TOO damn small, and would've likely lost at least half. they should've BEEN handed, so atleast the hole end would've been on the inside
Out of curiosity, what did you pay for your set, and how much more would you be willing to pay for a handed set?
KL
something over 50cdn from spruebrothers
why would handedness make a much diff in cost?
Halbcl2
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Posted: Sunday, July 09, 2017 - 05:39 PM UTC
John - sorry to hear that. Another disappointment to add to my list.
I wonder if their smaller tracks fair better than the large ones?
And I agree, there is something satisfying about inserting all those pins.
I wonder if their smaller tracks fair better than the large ones?
And I agree, there is something satisfying about inserting all those pins.
MLD
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Posted: Sunday, July 09, 2017 - 07:46 PM UTC
The old (ancient) pinch together Fruils (bagged not boxed) did not have this problem, but they are getting thin on the ground, the line was not every extensive, and they are getting quite expensive even if you do find them. Some complained that they sagged over time, but I have not noticed this on my old Panther or M113 builds.
I have had more trouble lately with needing to drill through nearly every link in order to even fit the wire provided, much less better quality same-sized brass or steel florists wire. By drill through I mean open up the inner portions of the links not drill completely through end to end.
Some have gone to the trouble to add Grant (Grandt?) line bolt heads to the open ends, but for my modeling dollar, life is too short. If I have already had to individually cut pins and redrill every link, I am not likely to do that.
My US$0.02, your mileage may vary.
Mike
I have had more trouble lately with needing to drill through nearly every link in order to even fit the wire provided, much less better quality same-sized brass or steel florists wire. By drill through I mean open up the inner portions of the links not drill completely through end to end.
Some have gone to the trouble to add Grant (Grandt?) line bolt heads to the open ends, but for my modeling dollar, life is too short. If I have already had to individually cut pins and redrill every link, I am not likely to do that.
My US$0.02, your mileage may vary.
Mike
tankmodeler
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Posted: Sunday, July 09, 2017 - 09:22 PM UTC
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why would handedness make a much diff in cost?
Not sure how much difference it would make, but some. It means you need two sets of moulds, leftie and rightie and then have to bag them separately, write the instructions a little better, etc. You need the quality control to ensure you get the right number of each side (though apparently that's not always a thing.
Differentiation in manufacturing always costs something extra.
Paul
KurtLaughlin
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Posted: Sunday, July 09, 2017 - 09:31 PM UTC
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Out of curiosity, what did you pay for your set, and how much more would you be willing to pay for a handed set?
something over 50cdn from spruebrothers
why would handedness make a much diff in cost?[/quote]
I would think that would be obvious, but with handed tracks you now have two parts in the set rather than one. That means you need two masters and two molds to make and maintain. In preparing the sets, it is not simply an issue of including X number of track blocks, but Y left blocks and Z right blocks. You have to keep them separate, so you'll need interior packaging for each inside the larger container.
That might not seem like it should make much difference in cost, but if you can understand why $50 is a reasonable cost for the product you'll understand that it would.
KL
JSSVIII
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Posted: Monday, July 10, 2017 - 05:43 AM UTC
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John - sorry to hear that. Another disappointment to add to my list.
I wonder if their smaller tracks fair better than the large ones?
And I agree, there is something satisfying about inserting all those pins.
Tom, about the small tracks, I have a set for the T-40, I'll check this weekend and see how they go together. I'll let you know, maybe 3rd time will be a charm.
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