Paris, France
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Posted: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 - 08:44 PM UTC
Idaho, United States
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Posted: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 - 09:09 PM UTC
I have started this kit too. Wonderful little thing and builds pretty quickly. I see that your grab bard handle over the right side door broke as mine did. I finally had to replace it with some Evergreen rod. I have question for the knowledgeable the on the AML 90, there appears to be a folded down rack on the back engine deck. Is is a storage rack that pivots back or some other kind of contraption?
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Posted: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 - 10:07 PM UTC
If visual memory experience of the real vehicle serves me right, the kit should have 2 perforated steel plankings/tracks that are similar to Marston Mat, stored on the front of the vehicle. I never saw a vehicle with less than 2...at least on the AML's I carried around from conflict to conflict. I assume that was standard practice...no matter the country of use. Likewise, having only 1...perfectly ok in my book. However, the one they included in the kit, I fear, may be too 'thick' in it's scale rendering. Lets hope the aftermarket PE folks catches up with this vehicle real soon. The rack on the back...some of the vehicles I saw with it used it as a kind of 'luggage rack'. You can omit it from your build and be perfectly ok too. If there was a specific purpose/nomenclature for it, no body told me of it. For the most part, a majority of the AML's I've seen were not fitted with it. The storage bin on the back of the turret, again, I never saw any of the AML's with it. One could probably assume when Takom was in the design phase of this kit, the vehicle they had access to probably had all the features that now appear in the kit. Oh yea, don't forget ridding yourself of the sink marks under the fenders...
. Nasty little buggers Takom should have taken care of.
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Paris, France
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Posted: Thursday, July 20, 2017 - 02:36 AM UTC
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I have started this kit too. Wonderful little thing and builds pretty quickly. I see that your grab bard handle over the right side door broke as mine did. I finally had to replace it with some Evergreen rod. I have question for the knowledgeable the on the AML 90, there appears to be a folded down rack on the back engine deck. Is is a storage rack that pivots back or some other kind of contraption?
I just fixed my right handle with some glue
see:
Paris, France
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Posted: Thursday, July 20, 2017 - 02:37 AM UTC
Wales, United Kingdom
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Posted: Thursday, July 20, 2017 - 04:54 AM UTC
That looks like a very big gun for such a small car.Well tidy work so far.
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Paris, France
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Posted: Thursday, July 20, 2017 - 12:24 PM UTC
yes this the main advantage of this vehicle: a big gun on a small car.
this is why it has been exported widely
Paris, France
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Posted: Thursday, July 20, 2017 - 12:24 PM UTC
I call it done
Dubayy, United Arab Emirates
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Posted: Thursday, July 20, 2017 - 01:33 PM UTC
Nicely put together.. Good luck with the coloring, with all these details it will come a beauty!
Cheers,
Maher
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Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany
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Posted: Thursday, July 20, 2017 - 04:39 PM UTC
Nice build! I just got this kit last week as a relaxing build between builds, and iit's cool to see you get it together so adeptly - thanks a lot for posting.
Have you already chosen a paint scheme?
Jerry
Paris, France
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Posted: Friday, July 21, 2017 - 01:54 AM UTC
first layer is this:
and I think the final version will be something like that:
I already have the figures
Correze, France
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Posted: Friday, July 21, 2017 - 03:03 PM UTC
Nice build but you should remove the turret bin as this was not a French feature.
Likewise, you could remove the round things on the front fenders. To my knowledge, they were only used on the AML 60.
Keep on the good work.
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Posted: Monday, July 24, 2017 - 06:05 PM UTC
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Nice build but you should remove the turret bin as this was not a French feature.
Likewise, you could remove the round things on the front fenders. To my knowledge, they were only used on the AML 60.
Keep on the good work.
Olivier
Agree...in the 15 years of sometimes carting these little jewels around the globe (Corsica with the 2nd Rep, France, all of Africa, Middle East, for example), I never once saw a 90 with a rear turret bin. Photographic evidence will surely reveal who, or what country, featured it, for your modeling pleasure.
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Rhone, France
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Posted: Monday, July 24, 2017 - 06:28 PM UTC
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Posted: Monday, July 24, 2017 - 07:33 PM UTC
Damn I wish I knew about this and joined the 6 Day War Campaign. It appears they were in use for it. This is one of those vehicles that is so damn ugly that it is sexy. Especially with that guard(?)up front hiding the pinched nose.
Correze, France
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Posted: Monday, July 24, 2017 - 08:02 PM UTC
Yes the turret bin was a IDF feature. Not sure of any other user.
One problem with the instructions is they don't give you the right clues for the optional parts.
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Posted: Monday, July 24, 2017 - 11:00 PM UTC
Thanks, everybody, for the valuable information about the turret storage bin, etc. I had a question (if I might hijack this thread for a second, vab75007, sorry) about the one French Army paint scheme depicted in the painting instructions for the kit, namely, the one inspired by this photo:
I was just wondering in what regions the French Army used a scheme like this, or whether it was just something temporary for a maneuver/exercise. Of course, if someone knows exactly where/when this was taken and what unit this vehicle belonged to, that would be even better. Thanks!
Jerry
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Posted: Monday, July 24, 2017 - 11:13 PM UTC
The Argentine version had apparently no turret bin neither.
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Posted: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 - 12:28 AM UTC
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Thanks, everybody, for the valuable information about the turret storage bin, etc. I had a question (if I might hijack this thread for a second, vab75007, sorry) about the one French Army paint scheme depicted in the painting instructions for the kit, namely, the one inspired by this photo:
I was just wondering in what regions the French Army used a scheme like this, or whether it was just something temporary for a maneuver/exercise. Of course, if someone knows exactly where/when this was taken and what unit this vehicle belonged to, that would be even better. Thanks!
Jerry
Jerry this is not paint but mud. I guess the vehicle is in maneuver somewhere in the Champagne region where a lot of training camps are located.
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Posted: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 - 01:55 AM UTC
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I was just wondering in what regions the French Army used a scheme like this, or whether it was just something temporary for a maneuver/exercise. Of course, if someone knows exactly where/when this was taken and what unit this vehicle belonged to, that would be even better. Thanks!
Jerry
As Olivier C. said the light camouflage is actually mud painted on the vehicle as a sort of short therm camo scheme during manouvers. A different picture showing this vehicle and another AML90 says that they belong to a training squadron from the 12e DLB (12e Division Légère Blindée, so 12th Light Armoured Division, a training formation in peacetime), quite correctly in Champagne. This division had one regiment with 36 AML90s, the 3e Regiment de Chasseurs (active from 1981 to 1997).
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Posted: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 - 02:03 AM UTC
Olivier and Tony, thanks a lot! I was so entranced by this scheme's appearance in the kit instructions that it didn't occur to me...but since NATO (at least the Bundeswehr and the U.S. Army) vehicles during this period often had mud schemes during REFORGER, etc., it should have (occurred to me). And great to have the unit info and dates.
Jerry
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Posted: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 - 03:00 AM UTC
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The Argentine version had apparently no turret bin neither.
That's right, they did not carry the turret bin, but the later actualizations included a rear turret basket.
Here a few pictures, I cannot recall the authors to give proper recognition.
For discussion purposes only:
EA AML 90 
EA AML 90-b 
EA AML 90-c It's not too much, but it's all we got...
Correze, France
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Posted: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 - 11:59 AM UTC
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As Olivier C. said the light camouflage is actually mud painted on the vehicle as a sort of short therm camo scheme during manouvers. A different picture showing this vehicle and another AML90 says that they belong to a training squadron from the 12e DLB (12e Division Légère Blindée, so 12th Light Armoured Division, a training formation in peacetime), quite correctly in Champagne. This division had one regiment with 36 AML90s, the 3e Regiment de Chasseurs (active from 1981 to 1997).
Impressive knowledge about this peculiar unit Tony
At that time, the French army had two light armored divisions composed of regular units which were supporting the branch schools, the 12th vicinity of Saumur (home of tank school) and the 14th vicinity of Montpellier (home of infantry school). The chore of the units was constituted by draftees and to reach the war establishment size, the students (officers and NCOs in training sessions) were used as augmentees.
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Posted: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 - 02:33 PM UTC
Thanks all for your nice comments and I will definitely remove the rear bin from the turret of my AML.
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Posted: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 - 02:39 PM UTC
Nice build. The finish you wish to achieve is spot on Model Master OD. I don't have the specific shade number handy, though.
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