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Posted: Saturday, September 02, 2017 - 02:39 PM UTC


The latest announcement from Dragon is an IDF 1/4-Ton 4x4 Truck mounting of two ex-German MG34 machine guns.

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Posted: Saturday, September 02, 2017 - 04:05 PM UTC
Good news! I wonder if it will be the famous "Shu'alei Shimshon" (Samson's Foxes) commando unit version from the Independence War period...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson%27s_Foxes





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Posted: Saturday, September 02, 2017 - 04:48 PM UTC
Something I have always wanted to build.
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Posted: Saturday, September 02, 2017 - 04:51 PM UTC
That is another new item related to IDF history.
We live in a golden era indeed.

Good news !
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Posted: Saturday, September 02, 2017 - 05:22 PM UTC
Might be worthwhile to check your references as many of the IDF "jeeps" used in 1947/48 are actually post-war civilian CJ 2As rather than the Wartime MB/GPWs as offered by Dragon.

Giveaways are the large headlights attached to the front of the radiator grille rather than the lights fitted behind the grille, fuel filler cap let into the body side next to the driver's hip, revised spare wheel position to take account of the drop down tailgate and "Willys" stamped into the side of the bonnet.
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Posted: Saturday, September 02, 2017 - 08:04 PM UTC

Quoted Text

Might be worthwhile to check your references as many of the IDF "jeeps" used in 1947/48 are actually post-war civilian CJ 2As rather than the Wartime MB/GPWs as offered by Dragon.

Giveaways are the large headlights attached to the front of the radiator grille rather than the lights fitted behind the grille, fuel filler cap let into the body side next to the driver's hip, revised spare wheel position to take account of the drop down tailgate and "Willys" stamped into the side of the bonnet.


Simon,

Agreed, MB and GPWs were rare in IDF use. Truth is the CJ2A'a were actually improved a bit over the WWII MB's.

Also note the rear axle is no longer the floating hub of the WWII versions.
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Posted: Saturday, September 02, 2017 - 10:08 PM UTC
another piece of unresearched cr@p from DML

the radios used were typically the UK No.19 set, which didn't use the modern antenna mount on the CAD image

the gun mounts were not the same as the modern swivel mounts again illustrated on the CAD image.

As previously stated most jeeps were CJ2 not GPW/MB

never mid some gullible people will buy it (just like their to be released mortar 1/2 track....which is complete fiction)
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Posted: Saturday, September 02, 2017 - 10:08 PM UTC
AFAIK that later style AFV type machine gun mount can only be found on a museum jeep at Latrun. Dragon have done their special kind of "research" again?

Here's what the mounts should look like:


From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson%27s_Foxes

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/E
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Posted: Saturday, September 02, 2017 - 10:10 PM UTC
even so treat that one at the collection houses with suspicion, it's been seriously fiddled with and didn't look like that when I first visited in 94, having said that the MG mounts on it appear to be the correct pattern for a 48 vehicle.

the one at Latrun is definitely not original (neither is their White scout car or sandwich truck either)
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Posted: Saturday, September 02, 2017 - 10:26 PM UTC
Both models in the same picture :



H.P.
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Posted: Saturday, September 02, 2017 - 10:57 PM UTC

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even so treat that one at the collection houses with suspicion


You are correct of course. Always careful regarding museum vehicles, althought I thought these mounts looked pretty accurate.
Anyway, here are two period photos that may be a better reference:




Both photos from: http://gpophoto.gov.il
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Posted: Saturday, September 02, 2017 - 11:37 PM UTC
The second photo is interesting. Judging from the front of the civilian car in the background, I would say it is early 1960s. It appears to be a CJ2A but the side filler cap has been plated over, presumably to allow more stowage on the vehicle side. 19 Set is visible, along with Variometer, control unit No 1 and antenna mount No 8 which are all attached to a standard Plate and Bracket Assembly No 1 which in turn is bolted to the top of the radio casing.

The Blackout light on the front wing is also unusual and definitely non-standard.
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Posted: Saturday, September 02, 2017 - 11:53 PM UTC

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The second photo is interesting. Judging from the front of the civilian car in the background, I would say it is early 1960s.


Photo is dated 1955-04-05.
"KIBBUTZ NAHAL OZ. IDF SOLDIERS PATROL KIBBUTZ NAHAL OZ AFTER EGYPTIANS ATTACKED THE SETTLEMENT."

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Posted: Sunday, September 03, 2017 - 12:27 AM UTC
https://translate.google.se/translate?hl=en&sl=iw&u=http://www.nahal.co.il/%25D7%2594%25D7%2594%25D7%2599%25D7%2590%25D7%2597%25D7%2596%25D7%2595%25D7%25AA-%25D7%2594%25D7%25A8%25D7%2590%25D7%25A9%25D7%2595%25D7%25A0%25D7%2594/&prev=search

Google translate of a Hebrew page, contains a "larger" image which shows more of the front/hood of the jeep. The text is about the first settlement of Nahal Oz (soldiers in trucks go to the frontier and start digging in ..).
/ Robin

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Posted: Sunday, September 03, 2017 - 09:00 AM UTC

Quoted Text


Quoted Text

even so treat that one at the collection houses with suspicion


You are correct of course. Always careful regarding museum vehicles, althought I thought these mounts looked pretty accurate.
Anyway, here are two period photos that may be a better reference:




Both photos from: http://gpophoto.gov.il


I think the jeep in the bottom picture is an early CJ2 that still had the gas filler under the seat, but most of the civilian changes.
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