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Dragon: 15cm s.IG.33 auf Fahrgestell Pz.Kpfw.IIIvaranusk
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Posted: Thursday, September 28, 2017 - 03:16 PM UTC
The newest Dragon project is a 15cm s.IG.33 auf Fahrgestell Pz.Kpfw.III, used by the Deutsches Afrika Korps, specifically the 90 leichte Infanterie-Division, in North Africa.
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RobinNilsson
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Posted: Thursday, September 28, 2017 - 06:32 PM UTC
At least it existed in real steel and not just a sketch on a piece of paper
Maybe a cool diorama
Some more images here:
http://www.network54.com/Forum/47207/thread/1449286345/Looking+for+info+about+a+rare+DAK+self-propelled+gun
at least one of them is on PhotoBucket, so you may feel like this:
unless you have installed the browser workaround which makes at least me feel like this
http://i1285.photobucket.com/albums/a599/panzerstike/image_zps34cc48c8.jpg
A quote of a quote from the thread linked to above:
"According to Rommel's Funnies by Jentz & Doyle, Pz.Kpfw. II were used as the platform for an SP 15 cm sIG 33 which was designated 15 cm sIG 33 Selbstfahrlafette. While the gun was generally deemed to be very good, the motor was too weak and rapid overheating was very frequent.
A photo of the Pz.Kpfw. III version actually graces the cover of this book and the caption (on the inside of the cover) says: "A Pz.Kpfw. III Ausf. H was converted by the troops in North Africa into a 15 cm s.I.G.33 B Sfl. Components including the 15 cm s.I.G. 33 B (with shortened trail), gun shield, superstructure sides with tool storage, and ammunition racks were stripped from a verstaerktem (verstärktem) Pz.Kpfw. II Fahrgestell (strengthened Pz. II chassis)." "
Not to be confused with this one, different chassis:
Also issued by DML some years ago
/ Robin
Maybe a cool diorama
Some more images here:
http://www.network54.com/Forum/47207/thread/1449286345/Looking+for+info+about+a+rare+DAK+self-propelled+gun
at least one of them is on PhotoBucket, so you may feel like this:
unless you have installed the browser workaround which makes at least me feel like this
http://i1285.photobucket.com/albums/a599/panzerstike/image_zps34cc48c8.jpg
A quote of a quote from the thread linked to above:
"According to Rommel's Funnies by Jentz & Doyle, Pz.Kpfw. II were used as the platform for an SP 15 cm sIG 33 which was designated 15 cm sIG 33 Selbstfahrlafette. While the gun was generally deemed to be very good, the motor was too weak and rapid overheating was very frequent.
A photo of the Pz.Kpfw. III version actually graces the cover of this book and the caption (on the inside of the cover) says: "A Pz.Kpfw. III Ausf. H was converted by the troops in North Africa into a 15 cm s.I.G.33 B Sfl. Components including the 15 cm s.I.G. 33 B (with shortened trail), gun shield, superstructure sides with tool storage, and ammunition racks were stripped from a verstaerktem (verstärktem) Pz.Kpfw. II Fahrgestell (strengthened Pz. II chassis)." "
Not to be confused with this one, different chassis:
Also issued by DML some years ago
/ Robin
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Posted: Thursday, September 28, 2017 - 07:02 PM UTC
So there was only one prototype or field conversion built?
bill_c
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Posted: Thursday, September 28, 2017 - 09:02 PM UTC
Yes, was this a one-off or was there more than one?
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Posted: Friday, September 29, 2017 - 01:37 AM UTC
Quoted Text
So there was only one prototype or field conversion built?
from what I've read there were 12 shipped to Africa.
gary
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Posted: Friday, September 29, 2017 - 02:19 AM UTC
Thanks, Gary, in that case, I'm in.
Posted: Friday, September 29, 2017 - 02:47 AM UTC
The 12 were the ones built on lengthened Pz II chassis. The Pz III variant was a one-off field conversion done on an Ausf H. I can see this one finding its way to the stash.
obg153
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Posted: Friday, September 29, 2017 - 03:28 AM UTC
IIRC,, Dragon released a kit of the PzII version a couple years ago or so.
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Posted: Friday, September 29, 2017 - 03:39 AM UTC
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IIRC,, Dragon released a kit of the PzII version a couple years ago or so.
Kit #6440 released in 2011 as a Smart Kit. I have one for the Crusader To Gazala campaign.
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Posted: Friday, September 29, 2017 - 06:02 AM UTC
my error!! I looked at the wrong photo. There were 12 built off the PzKw II hull. Never saw the PzKw III version before.
glt
glt
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Posted: Friday, September 29, 2017 - 10:14 AM UTC
In the first pic above you can see the discarded Pz lll recuperator cover from the conversion lying on the sand in front of the tank.
RobinNilsson
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Posted: Friday, September 29, 2017 - 02:10 PM UTC
Quoted Text
my error!! I looked at the wrong photo. There were 12 built off the PzKw II hull. Never saw the PzKw III version before.
glt
When I asdked Google about images of this Pz III conversion I got a few of the Pz III and a LOT of the Bison variant on the Pz II chassis (same number of roadwheels and the same general appearance). I included an image of the Bison just for the fun of it
/ Robin
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Posted: Saturday, September 30, 2017 - 07:57 AM UTC
Hmmm...another one-off for the shop? Perhaps.