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Presenting the BMPT Terminator
KruppCake
Joined: July 13, 2015
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Posted: Saturday, October 07, 2017 - 06:49 AM UTC
Here's the completed BMPT Terminator with splinter camouflage. For some reason the light brown (orange) colour in the pictures is very bright and rather exaggerated. It's relatively faint and much more subtle on the actual model. If anyone has suggestions as to how to fix this on the photos, it'd be much appreciated!
WXerock
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Posted: Saturday, October 07, 2017 - 07:08 AM UTC
Kruppcake, that really did turn out very well. Your paint job is as good as any I've seen of this scheme. your weathering job brings out the detail in a way that I find to be perfect. I hope that when I finally get to the point that I'm ready to paint one of my builds I'll be able to do a job equal to yours.
Regards,
Eric
Regards,
Eric
Armorsmith
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Posted: Saturday, October 07, 2017 - 07:18 AM UTC
Very nice! Great cammo, really striking.
bison126
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Posted: Saturday, October 07, 2017 - 12:37 PM UTC
I second the others' comments. The paintjob is excellent. I noticed the mirrors look like real ones. Do they come in the kit or are they AM stuff?
Olivier
Olivier
GazzaS
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Posted: Saturday, October 07, 2017 - 12:51 PM UTC
wow, that looks really great!
GulfWarrior
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Posted: Saturday, October 07, 2017 - 07:42 PM UTC
Very nicely done!
KruppCake
Joined: July 13, 2015
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Posted: Sunday, October 08, 2017 - 12:23 AM UTC
Thank you all for the kind words!
Eric - that’s quite the compliment. Please send a link of your work when you are done, I am still learning from everyone on here.
Olivier - the mirrors are, what seems to me, polished sheets of metal with a sticky back side that Meng provided for use in the kit. This model was built completely out of the box, without a single addition.
Eric - that’s quite the compliment. Please send a link of your work when you are done, I am still learning from everyone on here.
Olivier - the mirrors are, what seems to me, polished sheets of metal with a sticky back side that Meng provided for use in the kit. This model was built completely out of the box, without a single addition.
Das_Abteilung
Joined: August 31, 2010
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Posted: Sunday, October 08, 2017 - 05:00 AM UTC
That really is very nice. Impressed. Pleased if mine turns out half as good.
I read over on Missing Lynx that Russia has finally adopted the BMPT and possibly deployed some to Syria. The version kitted by Meng, Trumpeter and Zvezda has only been adopted by Khazakstan, although well touted around arms fairs. The Russian version has the improved turret from the BMPT-72 including the podded missiles and the faired 30mm barrels. And some strange solid-bottomed fabric bags along the side skirts, the purpose of which is unclear. I believe for water or fuel cans for extra protection, as on the S Tank 103C.
I read over on Missing Lynx that Russia has finally adopted the BMPT and possibly deployed some to Syria. The version kitted by Meng, Trumpeter and Zvezda has only been adopted by Khazakstan, although well touted around arms fairs. The Russian version has the improved turret from the BMPT-72 including the podded missiles and the faired 30mm barrels. And some strange solid-bottomed fabric bags along the side skirts, the purpose of which is unclear. I believe for water or fuel cans for extra protection, as on the S Tank 103C.
jasegreene
Joined: October 21, 2013
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Posted: Sunday, October 08, 2017 - 05:54 AM UTC
These have been supplied to Syrian government forces from Russia.Don't know when nor how many supplied.
KruppCake
Joined: July 13, 2015
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Posted: Sunday, October 08, 2017 - 07:44 AM UTC
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That really is very nice. Impressed. Pleased if mine turns out half as good.
I read over on Missing Lynx that Russia has finally adopted the BMPT and possibly deployed some to Syria. The version kitted by Meng, Trumpeter and Zvezda has only been adopted by Khazakstan, although well touted around arms fairs. The Russian version has the improved turret from the BMPT-72 including the podded missiles and the faired 30mm barrels. And some strange solid-bottomed fabric bags along the side skirts, the purpose of which is unclear. I believe for water or fuel cans for extra protection, as on the S Tank 103C.
I believe you are correct. There are pics online now of a few units that were delivered. The red part of the camo seems to have been sprayed over on them. The upgraded models have the missile tubes protected and several of the nooks and crannies on the surface have been protected with additional armour.
firstcircle
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Posted: Sunday, October 08, 2017 - 06:18 PM UTC
It looks great. Not sure if you already did some adjustment to the saturation on the photos, but looking at it on my phone, it looks perfect, not overly bright at all; in fact I have a load of photos of the real thing in this same scheme saved on my phone as I'm working on the 1/72 version, and flicking from your model to the real thing shows it to be more or less perfect, in my view. Only the red on the missile tube covers shows up rather bright. In fact, out of interest, what paints did you use for the camo?
Thanks.
Thanks.
KruppCake
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Posted: Sunday, October 08, 2017 - 06:35 PM UTC
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It looks great. Not sure if you already did some adjustment to the saturation on the photos, but looking at it on my phone, it looks perfect, not overly bright at all; in fact I have a load of photos of the real thing in this same scheme saved on my phone as I'm working on the 1/72 version, and flicking from your model to the real thing shows it to be more or less perfect, in my view. Only the red on the missile tube covers shows up rather bright. In fact, out of interest, what paints did you use for the camo?
Thanks.
Thanks, Matthew! The only touch-up I did on the photos was a brightness enhancement. The paints I used were as follows:
Vallejo ivory sand 71.075
Vallejo light brown 71.027
Vallejo hull red cut down with white to reduce camo contrast
Vallejo Ferrari red 71.085 (for the tube covers)
Vallejo mud brown 71.037 for track basecoat
Vallejo nato black for rubber track pads ands grenade launchers
Tamiya dark iron for main guns
Everything was used as is out of the bottle except for the hull red, which needed to be lightened quite a bit. The light brown sprays on fairly light and subtle, that’s why I wasn’t sure why it turned out so bright in the pictures. Also, depending on how you like to do models, it may be worth adding a hint of white to ivory sand as well. Let me know if you need more info, I can tell you the rest of the oils, washes, filters, and pigments as well.
GTDeath13
Joined: June 12, 2015
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Posted: Monday, October 09, 2017 - 12:42 PM UTC
A superb build. Really like the almost clean and tidy look.
Did you have any problems with the build? Looking at my kit I am concerned about the gun barrels (bought aftermarket metal ones) and the mine plough assembly at the front.
Did you have any problems with the build? Looking at my kit I am concerned about the gun barrels (bought aftermarket metal ones) and the mine plough assembly at the front.
KruppCake
Joined: July 13, 2015
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Posted: Monday, October 09, 2017 - 06:36 PM UTC
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A superb build. Really like the almost clean and tidy look.
Did you have any problems with the build? Looking at my kit I am concerned about the gun barrels (bought aftermarket metal ones) and the mine plough assembly at the front.
Thank you, Nikos!
I didn’t have any problems with this build. I also considered getting AM gun barrels but went with the kit barrels when I saw how nicely they cleaned up (Meng put a really tiny sprue attachment point). The mine plow isn’t that tricky, but will require a little more alignment. You basically need to make sure each individual part on it aligns well and then make sure the entire piece is aligned on the body of the model.
A few other notes for when you do the construction:
- file down some of the thickness of the turret tabs. It’s easier if the turret rotates very freely, without any friction, because when the model is done you’ll have almost nowhere to hold it to turn the turret.
- double check your alignment of every part you put on the turret top, because you’re basically building up a vertical structure piece by piece. Even if one part is misaligned the whole thing will look crooked (learned the hard way).
Hope this helps. Let me know if you have any other questions.
GulfWarrior
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Posted: Sunday, October 15, 2017 - 07:02 PM UTC
How did you do the masking? I'm trying to duplicate that same pattern on my Tunguska and it's been a serious pain in the buttocks! 
KruppCake
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Posted: Sunday, October 15, 2017 - 08:12 PM UTC
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How did you do the masking? I'm trying to duplicate that same pattern on my Tunguska and it's been a serious pain in the buttocks!
Hi Richard,
Initially I had trouble with the masking as well and then I managed to find a system:
Tools:
- Narrow Tamiya masking tape (standard one)
- Wide Tamiya masking tape
- Scalpel (or hobby knife, as some prefer)
- Styrene sheet
- Tweezers
- Ruler
I would start the masking with straight pieces of tape for sections of camouflage that were parallel. To get the pointed edges of the camouflage, I'd lay the narrow Tamiya tape on the styrene sheet (or any surface you trust to be clean and flat) and cut one side to an angle that another adjacent piece of tape could overlap, for sake of simplicity. Since half the tank took hours to mask, I couldn't mask and paint on the same day. The next day, I'd reseal all the tape edges carefully with either a finger nail or dull tweezers. Interestingly enough, I didn't get any overspray/paint bleeding (other than where I forgot to mask). Here's a picture of the start of masking:
Side note: if your basecoat is fully dry and cured, it may be sometimes easier to correct minor overspray with 600 or 800 grit sand paper rather than re-masking the area and spraying.
Also, opposite to what some modellers like to do, I had a light basecoat and masked for the darker areas.
GulfWarrior
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Posted: Sunday, October 15, 2017 - 08:23 PM UTC
Thanks for the info. That's pretty much word for word what I was doing. Did you do all of your masking first then do the painting or do each side separately? I think I was just getting frustrated trying to do the whole think at once.
One method that I have been tinkering with is scanning and printing each side from the paint guide then tracing out the outline for each color onto parchment paper. I can then use the 6mm Tamiya tape and some yellow FrogTape. I've been thinking about trying to do it one side at a time to keep the amount of profanity I spew to a minimum.
One method that I have been tinkering with is scanning and printing each side from the paint guide then tracing out the outline for each color onto parchment paper. I can then use the 6mm Tamiya tape and some yellow FrogTape. I've been thinking about trying to do it one side at a time to keep the amount of profanity I spew to a minimum.
KruppCake
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Posted: Sunday, October 15, 2017 - 08:43 PM UTC
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Thanks for the info. That's pretty much word for word what I was doing. Did you do all of your masking first then do the painting or do each side separately? I think I was just getting frustrated trying to do the whole think at once.
One method that I have been tinkering with is scanning and printing each side from the paint guide then tracing out the outline for each color onto parchment paper. I can then use the 6mm Tamiya tape and some yellow FrogTape. I've been thinking about trying to do it one side at a time to keep the amount of profanity I spew to a minimum.
I did the two sides of the tank on one day and then the middle (top and hull) on another day. A third day was the turret. This was mainly because of my work schedule at the time. It’s totally up to you how you’d like to break it down, it can also be done all at once if you wish.
To your point of scanning the manual camo and using it: I avoided doing 100% exact camo and I worked around the nuts and bolts and raised areas. I avoided, at all cost, trying to have the Tamiya tape go over the nuts, bolts, and handles. That way you don’t get 100% identical camouflage but you save yourself hours and hours of headache with paint bleed and overspray. I also thinned the paint to my liking and did several lighter coats in the same spray sessions to avoid making ridges and risking the tape lifting anything newly painted.
But to summarize, this part is just preference. I tried to simplify this as much as I could so I wouldn’t have to make many corrections after each paint session. Since you are having trouble starting it, it may be easier to do sections of masking first so you convince yourself you’re happy with the results, rather than doing the entire tank and seeing on the entire thing that something is not to your liking.
Let me know if your trouble persists, I may be able to do a demonstration on styrene and post pics.
GulfWarrior
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Posted: Sunday, October 15, 2017 - 09:06 PM UTC
Thanks for the help. I'm going to try doing it in sections next: left and right sides, front, back and then the top. I'm still working on assembling the turret.
Mine is going to be a three color arctic pattern: white, gray and black. If it looks half as good as yours does I'll be proud of it.
Mine is going to be a three color arctic pattern: white, gray and black. If it looks half as good as yours does I'll be proud of it.
KruppCake
Joined: July 13, 2015
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Posted: Sunday, October 15, 2017 - 10:51 PM UTC
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Thanks for the help. I'm going to try doing it in sections next: left and right sides, front, back and then the top. I'm still working on assembling the turret.
Mine is going to be a three color arctic pattern: white, gray and black. If it looks half as good as yours does I'll be proud of it.
The three colour arctic pattern is one of my favorites, though I haven't done a model with it yet. Feel free to post or send me pics of how your camo is going!
GulfWarrior
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Posted: Sunday, October 15, 2017 - 10:59 PM UTC
I will. It's going to be my submission for the Unfinished Business campaign. It's been sitting on my bar partially completed for nearly two years now. 
firstcircle
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Posted: Monday, October 16, 2017 - 06:25 PM UTC
Richard, you might be interested in DN Models' masks:
https://dnmodels.com/?s=bmpt&cat=0&post_type=product
I should say however that when I tried to use their 1/72 mask, as KruppCake pointed out, the surface of the model is so uneven, and with such tiny bits of masking film at that scale, I couldn't get them to flex and stick in the right places. Instead I used them as patterns to cut out masking tape, which worked quite well as it is more flexible, stretchable and stickier, but the pre-cut masks definitely made doing that quicker as I could just stick them on to Tamiya tape and cut round them with a knife, then peel them off and stick them back on the backing sheet, and apply the Tamiya mask to the model. If it went wrong, the original film mask was undamaged so you get as many goes as you want to get it right.
https://dnmodels.com/?s=bmpt&cat=0&post_type=product
I should say however that when I tried to use their 1/72 mask, as KruppCake pointed out, the surface of the model is so uneven, and with such tiny bits of masking film at that scale, I couldn't get them to flex and stick in the right places. Instead I used them as patterns to cut out masking tape, which worked quite well as it is more flexible, stretchable and stickier, but the pre-cut masks definitely made doing that quicker as I could just stick them on to Tamiya tape and cut round them with a knife, then peel them off and stick them back on the backing sheet, and apply the Tamiya mask to the model. If it went wrong, the original film mask was undamaged so you get as many goes as you want to get it right.
GulfWarrior
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Posted: Monday, October 16, 2017 - 07:19 PM UTC
Thanks for the info, Matthew! I'm going to take a look at DN Models for some of my other projects.
What I'm trying now is tracing the outlines onto kitchen parchment paper that going around the outline with Tamiya 6mm tape to make my own masks. I can then use yellow FrogTape to cover everything else. It's time consuming to say the least but it seems to work so far.
The rear of the Tunguska does have a lot of uneven areas ; but if I take my time I'll get there. I've been fighting this kit for a couple of years now. I'm not going to let it beat me!
What I'm trying now is tracing the outlines onto kitchen parchment paper that going around the outline with Tamiya 6mm tape to make my own masks. I can then use yellow FrogTape to cover everything else. It's time consuming to say the least but it seems to work so far.
The rear of the Tunguska does have a lot of uneven areas
; but if I take my time I'll get there. I've been fighting this kit for a couple of years now. I'm not going to let it beat me! 
Logan
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Posted: Monday, October 16, 2017 - 07:27 PM UTC
HI
Wow, not sure how I missed this. Really nice build and great subtle weathering.
Thanks for posting.
Tom
Wow, not sure how I missed this. Really nice build and great subtle weathering.
Thanks for posting.
Tom
KruppCake
Joined: July 13, 2015
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Posted: Monday, October 16, 2017 - 07:32 PM UTC
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HI
Wow, not sure how I missed this. Really nice build and great subtle weathering.
Thanks for posting.
Tom
Thank you, Tom!
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