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E-100 Ausf-B
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Posted: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 - 02:26 AM UTC
Matthew Lenton shares with us another 1/72nd scale build feature. This time around it is the Trumpeter E-100 Ausf-B in 1/72nd scale that gets the Lenton treatment.
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panzerman1
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Posted: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 - 08:26 AM UTC
E-100 looks fantastic. Hard to believe it's Braille scale, it looks like a much larger model. Does Trumpeter make any more Paper Panzer models? KUTGW. Bill
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Posted: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 - 01:04 PM UTC
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E-100 looks fantastic. Hard to believe it's Braille scale, it looks like a much larger model. Does Trumpeter make any more Paper Panzer models? KUTGW. Bill
What scale? The make a E-100, E-10, E-50, E-75, Jagdpanzer E-100, E-25.
some in 1/72.
firstcircle
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Posted: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 - 07:00 PM UTC
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E-100 looks fantastic. Hard to believe it's Braille scale, it looks like a much larger model. Does Trumpeter make any more Paper Panzer models? KUTGW. Bill
Thanks Bill - I had to look up KUTGW
I agree it does look bigger than braille scale, that's because it is just so big; at 159mm x 62mm it's bigger than a 1/35 scale PzKpfw 38(t) at 129.7 mm x 60.8 mm.
As Patrick says, Trumpeter make a number of Paper Panzers at 1/35 scale, but the only other one at 1/72 is the E-100 Jagdpanzer, which is basically the same as this kit but with a new hull superstructure and gun, and minus the turret.
Modelcollect on the other hand have been busy putting out quite a number of small scale PPs, all, as stated at the end of this article, with lots more parts than in this simpler Trumpeter kit.
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Posted: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 - 07:26 PM UTC
Scarred
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Posted: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 - 08:07 PM UTC
Amusing Hobby has several paper panzers also, 1/35 scale.
rinaldi119
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Posted: Thursday, October 12, 2017 - 12:39 AM UTC
Thank you Matt for bringing up the actual history of this model and kit(s)...I've lost the energy to fight the alternate universe it's accidentally created.
I do wish guys would stop calling these type of models "Paper Panzers" and more accurately refer to them as Panzer 46 instead, it's a subtle, but needed, shift in terminology. True Paper Panzers only existed on the German drawing boards during the war, the rest of this stuff is purely fictional, plain and simple... I realize it will fall on largely def ears though lol.
And Trumpeter should use your model on the box art, it's loads better than the 1/35 version they used to pass it off! And to their credit ModelCollect was very professional with their release, with my thanks and permission, and here we see how Trumpeter quietly brushes it all off.
I do wish guys would stop calling these type of models "Paper Panzers" and more accurately refer to them as Panzer 46 instead, it's a subtle, but needed, shift in terminology. True Paper Panzers only existed on the German drawing boards during the war, the rest of this stuff is purely fictional, plain and simple... I realize it will fall on largely def ears though lol.
And Trumpeter should use your model on the box art, it's loads better than the 1/35 version they used to pass it off! And to their credit ModelCollect was very professional with their release, with my thanks and permission, and here we see how Trumpeter quietly brushes it all off.
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Posted: Thursday, October 12, 2017 - 03:07 AM UTC
Paper Panzers is more fitting as none of these went beyond design, mockup or prototype stage. Many model companies are making kits based on games that have taken the designs of the E-series and advanced their design for gaming. Calling them Panzer 46, in my opinion, is stupid. It means that the allies failed to put an end to Hitler, the war continued to kill civilians, The nazi's may have developed the atom bomb and used it which would mean we would have used ours destroying Europe and the death camps would have continued to operate. The War ended in 45. There is no "panzer 46".
rinaldi119
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Posted: Thursday, October 12, 2017 - 03:27 AM UTC
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Paper Panzers is more fitting as none of these went beyond design, mockup or prototype stage. Many model companies are making kits based on games that have taken the designs of the E-series and advanced their design for gaming. Calling them Panzer 46, in my opinion, is stupid. It means that the allies failed to put an end to Hitler, the war continued to kill civilians, The nazi's may have developed the atom bomb and used it which would mean we would have used ours destroying Europe and the death camps would have continued to operate. The War ended in 45. There is no "panzer 46".
You've got your facts and intentions confused. Paper Panzers is an actual term referring to proposed armor concepts/designs on the drawing board during the war. It's been in use for years, long before video games reinvented it's definition. They are a collective finite groups of designs. We see them in the modern era as redrawn by Hilary Doyle in the well known Panzer Tracts books.
Panzer 46 (and Luft 46) is a term(s) used to describe the what-if fantasy collective of the hypothetical ideas and vehicle concepts -- loosely based on what happened regarding vehicle design and production during the war. (There are also Allied designs, as such too). That's what this model is, it's fictional what-if, loosely based on a Paper Panzer, but by definition NOT one of them. Panzer 46 is more appropriate term for this group of vehicles.
Politics have nothing to do with this terminology, that's not what any of this is about.
Roshindow
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Posted: Thursday, October 12, 2017 - 03:58 AM UTC
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Paper Panzers is more fitting as none of these went beyond design, mockup or prototype stage. Many model companies are making kits based on games that have taken the designs of the E-series and advanced their design for gaming. Calling them Panzer 46, in my opinion, is stupid. It means that the allies failed to put an end to Hitler, the war continued to kill civilians, The nazi's may have developed the atom bomb and used it which would mean we would have used ours destroying Europe and the death camps would have continued to operate. The War ended in 45. There is no "panzer 46".
Not using Paper is meant to give the "Panzer 46" models even less credibility, as these weren't even on paper (blueprint), complete fantasy. If you don't like 46, what would you propose, "Panzer 45 Ausf.B"?
Cantstopbuyingkits
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Posted: Thursday, October 12, 2017 - 07:46 PM UTC
This isn't a Paper Panzer, Trumpeter delibrately changed the shape of the turret in this kit to make it closer to that on King Tiger, which the Germans never planned to do
firstcircle
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Posted: Thursday, October 12, 2017 - 08:18 PM UTC
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This isn't a Paper Panzer, Trumpeter delibrately changed the shape of the turret in this kit to make it closer to that on King Tiger, which the Germans never planned to do
Tim... Internetiquette supertip: Never comment without reading the article.
The turret was designed by Mike Rinaldi, Trumpeter copied his kitbashed / scratched turreted E-100 model. Seriously, please read at least the first page of the feature which explains it, otherwise you're just asking for Mike himself to come back on here (possibly with a big exasperated sigh as he has) to explain it "one more time..."
By the way, what did you (and Patrick) think of the feature apart from that?
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Posted: Thursday, October 12, 2017 - 09:16 PM UTC
Matthew,
While "Paper Panzers" are not in the slightest an area of my interest, your feature article rather captured my interest and especially your build and finishing explanations and accompanying images. Although an overall simple vehicle as far as its "lines" are concerned your finishing of it was superb and brings this otherwise "plain shaped" subject to life. I must particularly comment on the marvellous paint job you achieved on the vehicles' figure.
The size of this model is also quite impressive especially when you compare it to a 1/72 Abrams that measures out at 110 X 52 mm. The article appears quite concise and informative and I for one appreciate the effort that you must have put in to complete it. Seems to me like it might possess a winning combination of points to win notice in a model show or competition.
Cheers,
Jan
While "Paper Panzers" are not in the slightest an area of my interest, your feature article rather captured my interest and especially your build and finishing explanations and accompanying images. Although an overall simple vehicle as far as its "lines" are concerned your finishing of it was superb and brings this otherwise "plain shaped" subject to life. I must particularly comment on the marvellous paint job you achieved on the vehicles' figure.
The size of this model is also quite impressive especially when you compare it to a 1/72 Abrams that measures out at 110 X 52 mm. The article appears quite concise and informative and I for one appreciate the effort that you must have put in to complete it. Seems to me like it might possess a winning combination of points to win notice in a model show or competition.
Cheers,
Jan
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Posted: Thursday, October 12, 2017 - 10:35 PM UTC
Whatever you do, don't mention "Paper Panzers" - I mentioned it once but I think I got away with it... So I used the terms '46 and PPs, partly I wasn't sure if Panzer'46 or Panzerwaffe46 was copyright, but now I think not. Anyway, I get the distinction Mike made above, although I guess this model is a mix of both.
Jan, thanks for the compliments, particularly on the figure, who doesn't look too bad when viewed at real size, despite the fact that I think I accidentally removed most of one his ears while cleaning up the mould line on the polythene Caesar head; slightly ironic as one of the things I didn't like about the original CMK head was that the head was tiny, but the ears a bit too prominent - FA Cup syndrome.
Thanks too to Mike R for the positive feedback.
hugohuertas
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Posted: Friday, October 13, 2017 - 03:13 AM UTC
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Quoted TextPaper Panzers is more fitting as none of these went beyond design, mockup or prototype stage. Many model companies are making kits based on games that have taken the designs of the E-series and advanced their design for gaming. Calling them Panzer 46, in my opinion, is stupid. It means that the allies failed to put an end to Hitler, the war continued to kill civilians, The nazi's may have developed the atom bomb and used it which would mean we would have used ours destroying Europe and the death camps would have continued to operate. The War ended in 45. There is no "panzer 46".
You've got your facts and intentions confused. Paper Panzers is an actual term referring to proposed armor concepts/designs on the drawing board during the war. It's been in use for years, long before video games reinvented it's definition. They are a collective finite groups of designs. We see them in the modern era as redrawn by Hilary Doyle in the well known Panzer Tracts books.
Panzer 46 (and Luft 46) is a term(s) used to describe the what-if fantasy collective of the hypothetical ideas and vehicle concepts -- loosely based on what happened regarding vehicle design and production during the war. (There are also Allied designs, as such too). That's what this model is, it's fictional what-if, loosely based on a Paper Panzer, but by definition NOT one of them. Panzer 46 is more appropriate term for this group of vehicles.
Politics have nothing to do with this terminology, that's not what any of this is about.
+1
tatbaqui
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Posted: Friday, October 13, 2017 - 04:23 AM UTC
Thanks for sharing Matt. Hey, I see that you've used blue tack -- I remember reading something about using toothpaste as mask
Seriously, I commend the effort you put on this very detailed build feature, especially the finished product. Good to see as well that the photos are now sorted in ascending order.
Having read the exchanges on terminologies got me curious as to the origins of the term "paper panzers". Anyways I guess that may be best for separate thread.
Cheers,
Tat
Seriously, I commend the effort you put on this very detailed build feature, especially the finished product. Good to see as well that the photos are now sorted in ascending order.
Having read the exchanges on terminologies got me curious as to the origins of the term "paper panzers". Anyways I guess that may be best for separate thread.
Cheers,
Tat
firstcircle
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Posted: Friday, October 13, 2017 - 01:48 PM UTC
Thanks Tat. I have used toothpaste before, but this camouflage is quite big and simple so blue tack seemed easier, although it did cause the breakage of one of the hooks on the engine deck, ringed in photo 69, which had to be replaced with wire and repainted.
As Mike said, Paper Panzers goes back at least to the two Panzer Tracts books on the subject that used that term as part of the title, published in 2002, I think. I don't know if there is a record of it being used much before that.
As Mike said, Paper Panzers goes back at least to the two Panzer Tracts books on the subject that used that term as part of the title, published in 2002, I think. I don't know if there is a record of it being used much before that.
JPTRR
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Posted: Sunday, October 15, 2017 - 11:59 PM UTC
"Paper Panzer." "Panzer 46." Politics? (Yyyyaaaawwwwnn.) Matthew, wonderful feature building this little-big Paper Panzer 46. I like what you wrote, "... something started to happen as the parts came off the sprue, and it was that thing that we all look for when building models: enjoyment." Your build with the weathering really does the kit justice. Thanks for taking up the challenge.
spongya
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Posted: Monday, October 30, 2017 - 03:56 PM UTC
Awesome build; great feature. Thank you
Cantstopbuyingkits
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Posted: Tuesday, October 31, 2017 - 12:11 AM UTC
Of course I know Michael built the model that Trumpeter based the turret for this kit on, you were still calling it a Paper Panzer when it's a invented design that was never even on paper/blueprints.
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