Arkansas, United States
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Posted: Thursday, October 26, 2017 - 08:17 AM UTC
Came across this one, while crawling through my library.
Unfortunately, I do not know its origin. To be honest, I'm surprised the panzer I could propel a panzer III turret.

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Posted: Thursday, October 26, 2017 - 08:22 AM UTC
It may not have been traversable. A cheap jagdepanzer 1. Maybe a training tank.
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Arkansas, United States
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Posted: Thursday, October 26, 2017 - 08:32 AM UTC
I think it is, in fact for training. The hull mg is missing. Then again, they may not have had enough room for the operator.
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Georgia, United States
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Posted: Thursday, October 26, 2017 - 08:34 AM UTC
Are you sure this isn't a photoshop job?
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Arkansas, United States
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Posted: Thursday, October 26, 2017 - 09:27 AM UTC
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Are you sure this isn't a photoshop job?
I can't be certain. However, I did notice the color difference, between the turret and hull. This particular photo was not found, in any of the books that I have.
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Posted: Thursday, October 26, 2017 - 09:56 AM UTC
The last time I saw the picture it was labeled a turret trainer. They used the obsolete chassis for turret familarization training in a moving vehicle without using an actual tank. Similarly they had turretless hulls for driver training.
Makes as much sense as the US turret trainer of the time which was the gun mount on a platform that two guys would pitch back and forth to simulate a moving tank.
This set up would also be useful to train tank commander and driver coordination. The TC and driver's positions would be as the service vehicle and this would train tank commanders how to direct a driver in the hull from the TC cupola.
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Arkansas, United States
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Posted: Thursday, October 26, 2017 - 10:48 AM UTC
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The last time I saw the picture it was labeled a turret trainer. They used the obsolete chassis for turret familarization training in a moving vehicle without using an actual tank. Similarly they had turretless hulls for driver training.
Makes as much sense as the US turret trainer of the time which was the gun mount on a platform that two guys would pitch back and forth to simulate a moving tank.
This set up would also be useful to train tank commander and driver coordination. The TC and driver's positions would be as the service vehicle and this would train tank commanders how to direct a driver in the hull from the TC cupola.
Thank you. That was very enlightening. That must have been some serious shoe-horning. BTW - I have a few photos of turretless trainers(III's and IV's of course).
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