From what I've gleaned off the internet the Wehrmacht uses a Grey Brown camo from Poland through France then went with plain grey till 43. Some sources say the grey/brown was (Equivalent to) RAL 7016 Grey and 8002 Brown. Another says 7021 grey and 7017 brown. Then I've seen that 7021 was the post France color. Any thoughts on the "correct" brown and which grey and when were they used?

May or not be correct: http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/nazi_germany/Medium_Tanks/Panzer-III/Pzkpfw-III_Ausf-D_norway1940_HD.jpg Gray is the Panzer Gray, and the brown is a chocolate brown (RAL no. unknown), not the reddish-brown of 1943 - 1945.

The brown is very dark; so much so it is hard to make out next to the gray in old B&W photos.

RAL 7021 Dunkelgrau + RAL 8002 Signalbraun

...According to this website :

http://www.panzerbaer.de/colours/a_relaunch/wh_tarn-b.htm

H.P.

German colors is definitely a topic that can be a big can of worms.

When they took apart the 251/7 at the Patton Museum for restoration there were many different shades of dark yellow on the various components under the floorboards. So the color standard was not truly a standard! (The different sub-contractors all mixed their own paints.) - I am quoting Charles Lemons the museum curator and I witnessed some of these variations first hand.

Also camo colors came to the field as a paste that could be mixed with either gas or water. Exact shades are going to vary based on the ratio of paste to carrier medium.

Do what seems reasonable and get as close as you can. Remember those who judge will probably flame you anyway!

This site: http://www.miniatures.de/colour-ral-farben.html
says RAL 7017 Dunkelbraun used in "disruptive pattern over Dunkelgrau Nr. 46 (RAL 7021), used in the 1937 two-colour pattern". Of 8002 it says: "Disruptive pattern over Dunkelgrau, applied in irregular patches to 1/3 of the vehicle. All vehicles drafted in 1939 were painted in this pattern. Not to be confused with modern RAL 8002 Signalbraun."

So that is confusing, but also suggests being careful when looking up references on the web to RAL 8002.

8002 samples seem considerably more reddish than 7017, which has a more green / grey tone.

Ammo by Mig do 7017 in a bottle:
http://www.migjimenez.com/en/real-colors/97-ral-7017-dunkelbraun-8432074000075.html

Panzer Tracts No.13-2 Schwerer Panzerspaehwagen (Sd.Kfz.231, 232, & 233) and Panzerfunkwagen (Sd.Kfz.263) described it as 2/3rds Dunkelgrau RAL46 and 1/3 Dunkelbraun RAL45, those being 7021 and 7017 respectively.

No-one will dare flame you, so few people do this scheme

Even more worms

http://www.kfzderwehrmacht.de/Hauptseite_deutsch/Verschiedenes/Farbanstrich/Dunkelgraue_Anstriche/dunkelgraue_anstriche.html

http://www.alternatewars.com/BBOW/Colors/Heer_Vehicle_Colors_1922-1945.htm

Looks like RAL 7017 is the way to go indeed...

H.P.

Maybe describing this scheme?

This is the one I used in the halftrack campaign.

Thanks All. That switch over from the 45/46 numbers to the RAL numbers makes a confused mess even more so. Especially when there is no RAL number for the Dunklebraun. And the lack of contrast between the two colors, B/W photos and road dust make for a mess to decipher. I'll probably use the Mig colors , seeing I'll have to order every thing anyhow. (Nearest hobby shop is 500 miles ... 800 km ... away. Unless you count Micheal's and Hobby Lobby) Side question, has any body used Mission paints? Any good? Always good to have options. O.K., got the PaK 36 figured out. Now, my KPUV vz-37. I'm leaning toward an impressed one used by 7th SS in the Balkans 43-44. From what I understand they were repainted dunklegrau after Poland. 7th SS was formed in 43 (unknown if they had these on their TO&E but a vast majority of their stuff was Czech.).Would it have been repainted again to Dunklegelb? Thoughts?

In my experience....
the only way to deal with a can of worms, once opened, is to put them in a bigger can!

In this case might I suggest a 20 ft. container

There is a Franken joke here, somewhere....

About the Mission Model Paint I love them if you try the "sistem" like they explain in the website they are awesome check some reviews on youtube... they deleted the guessing part of thinning and they spray like a laquer

or take them on a fishing trip..... you will get as many bites.

Thanks, Vicious. How do they work with a brush?

A grenade is much more efficient.

Sincerely I try them only few times with the AB on my test model,because I buy them and a week later I have to start to pack everything because soon we move in a new house ,but i seen and read a lot of reviews before buying (I hate waist money)and seems the work very well also with the hairy stick...Mike Rinaldi now use them in is last book

Anybody know how close RAL 7017 and RLM 61 are. I have the RLM 61 handy. Want to see if I can save a few bucks.