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Posted: Saturday, December 16, 2017 - 08:00 AM UTC
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I wouldn't be too surprised to see conversions from Legend or Black Dog or even Resicast to cover some of the other vehicles mentioned.
Legend, please; just better.
Whilst we talking about SF vehicles, what about an SAS 110 in plastic? Or, a Unimog mothership*? Happy days.
*as opposed to a resin conversion
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Posted: Saturday, December 16, 2017 - 07:11 AM UTC
Yes, I too am waiting for the three-seater SEAL DPV with the armament, if ever. I don't recall the HobbyBoss FAV shown here having any combat usage in the US Army.
One can add Live-Resin swingarm machine guns to the FAV...
It's ironic because the wait has been so long...for decades...that the actual SEAL DPV is no longer used anymore.
And still missing from the model kit market is the USMC Mercedes G IFAV (now out-of-service) and the M1161 ITV "Growler." There still seems to be a lack of modern 1/35 FAVs in plastic.
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Posted: Saturday, December 16, 2017 - 05:24 AM UTC
I wouldn't be too surprised to see conversions from Legend or Black Dog or even Resicast to cover some of the other vehicles mentioned.
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Posted: Saturday, December 16, 2017 - 04:07 AM UTC
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Posted: Friday, December 15, 2017 - 12:24 AM UTC
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Posted: Thursday, December 14, 2017 - 08:24 PM UTC
I believe you're correct that the Hobby Boss kit is representing an early Fast Attack Vehicle.
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The one in the HB Facebook picture does look a lot like the FAV's the 9th ID trialed when I was at Ft. Lewis, and that's what they were called at the time Fast Attack Vehicles.
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Posted: Thursday, December 14, 2017 - 06:39 PM UTC
The one in the HB Facebook picture does look a lot like the FAV's the 9th ID trialed when I was at Ft. Lewis, and that's what they were called at the time Fast Attack Vehicles. The concept didn't prove itself too well, the High Technology Brigade (with the FAVs and other toys) went up against 3d ACR at Ft. Bliss and we got our butts handed to us so badly the OC's did a complete reset; on the attack we did a whole lot better for obvious reasons. There was all kinds of off the wall hardware running around post at that time, at one point 9th ID was referred to as 'Toys R Us' because of all the things they got to try out.
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Posted: Thursday, December 14, 2017 - 06:36 PM UTC
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But this is not this one announced. A navy seal (Brandon Webb) talks about this vehicle in one of his book. He says it was used in Irak for a short time during OIF but was unadapted to the terrain.
Right, the one announced is not a US Navy SEAL FAV, but is close to the Chenowth Scorpion DPV (Desert Patrol Vehicle) that was tested in the late '80s by the 9th ID and not accepted by the US military for use. The confusion is that the vehicle was called a FAV in the testing, even though that was not its official name.
The one we all want is the US Navy SEAL FAV (Fast Attack Vehicle) also made by Chenowth, which was a three-man version.
This vehicle was originally used in the late '80s and early '90s. They were sucessfully deployed during Operation Desert Shield/Storm in '90-'91. They were brought back out of mothballs and sent to Iraq in the '03 timeframe and it was decided that they were no longer suitable for the terrain and mission there. This is what you are talking about from the book. They were heavily used in the '90s though.
FAVs in ODS, '90-'91.
FAV in Iraq '03. Notice the new tracking device on the roof.
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Posted: Thursday, December 14, 2017 - 05:56 PM UTC
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I believe this one, photographed and measured a few years ago, is what we really want.
But this is not this one announced. A navy seal (Brandon Webb) talks about this vehicle in one of his book. He says it was used in Irak for a short time during OIF but was unadapted to the terrain.
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Posted: Thursday, December 14, 2017 - 09:01 AM UTC
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I believe this one, photographed and measured a few years ago, is what we really want.
Rob must be working with some vendor. Who is going to release the proper kit using the 18B info? That is my question. Hints? Come on and tease us with hints Robert!
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Posted: Thursday, December 14, 2017 - 07:19 AM UTC
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I believe this one, photographed and measured a few years ago, is what we really want.
Yup, that's the one.
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Posted: Thursday, December 14, 2017 - 06:07 AM UTC
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Posted: Thursday, December 14, 2017 - 05:54 AM UTC
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Damn. Now that I can see the picture in the initial post (blocked by work computer), I see that it is not a FAV. It is another version of the DPV that was not fielded by US Spec Ops. Look back at my earlier thread with pics to see what I mean.
Exactly! Good effort by Hobby Boss but they're marketing a test and evaluation version that likely never left the 9th Infantry Division in Fort Lewis, Washington...except for maybe the Team Spirit '86 exercise in South Korea.
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Posted: Thursday, December 14, 2017 - 05:51 AM UTC
I believe
this one, photographed and measured a few years ago, is what we really want.
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Posted: Thursday, December 14, 2017 - 05:11 AM UTC
Damn. Now that I can see the picture in the initial post (blocked by work computer), I see that it is not a FAV. It is another version of the DPV that was not fielded by US Spec Ops. Look back at my earlier thread with pics to see what I mean.
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Posted: Thursday, December 14, 2017 - 04:40 AM UTC
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Posted: Thursday, December 14, 2017 - 02:00 AM UTC
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No - The SAS trialed a small number of British-manufactured Light Strike Vehicles (x5 I think) leading up to Desert Storm. They liked them but realised that the vehicles couldn't carry enough stowage to make them viable for long range patrols (unlike their DPV landrovers) and they were only two-seaters.
The LSVs were palmed off on 5th Airbourne Brigade for a while but again, they didn't quite fit comfortably into a specifc role. Ultimately, most were sold off to the MV market and can be seen around the MV shows in the UK - I think one resides in the SAS Regimental Museum in Hereford (which isn't open to the public BTW) but I may be mistaken in that assumption.
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Thanks for that John, very interesting.
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Posted: Thursday, December 14, 2017 - 12:42 AM UTC
No - The SAS trialed a small number of British-manufactured Light Strike Vehicles (x5 I think) leading up to Desert Storm. They liked them but realised that the vehicles couldn't carry enough stowage to make them viable for long range patrols (unlike their DPV landrovers) and they were only two-seaters.
The LSVs were palmed off on 5th Airbourne Brigade for a while but again, they didn't quite fit comfortably into a specifc role. Ultimately, most were sold off to the MV market and can be seen around the MV shows in the UK - I think one resides in the SAS Regimental Museum in Hereford (which isn't open to the public BTW) but I may be mistaken in that assumption.
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Posted: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 - 11:59 PM UTC
Well, this will ring the changes on the display tables; does anyone know if British SF used this?
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Posted: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 - 11:42 PM UTC
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Posted: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 - 08:33 PM UTC
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Hopefully we will finally get it this time.
This appears to be the styrene kit. With that being said, I don't think it will be long, before we get a release date.
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Posted: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 - 07:54 PM UTC
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It's been a long wait ....
Many years ago someone promised a resin kit and then there was nothing...
Hobby Fan did/does offer one in resin...
Sort of, it is really a DPV - Desert Patrol Vehicle, not a FAV. The FAV was built by Chenowth out of California and is a three-man vehicle.
Dragon originally promised one in styrene in the mid-'90s, right after ODS.
Then Hobby Boss announced one about 6-7 years ago with the below pic.
Hopefully we will finally get it this time.
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Posted: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 - 07:39 PM UTC
For its time it's a pretty nice kit not fun to put together though. I have 2 of them. The figures were sculpted nicely especially the heads/helmets
