I'll start with the British PLA mount in WW II...
Cromwell:
...it looks like that actually saw combat use from that second photo.
Crusader:
Canadian Ram:
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JSSVIII
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Posted: Sunday, December 17, 2017 - 05:25 AM UTC
I was reading reading Scott Duttons topic about the possibility of a Russian M4A2 Sherman mounting a Dshk machine gun a while back, and it gave me the idea for this thread. My thread about Tanks with alternative turrets and guns, was a lot of fun for me (and hopefully others as well), you guys really came up with some great photos and ideas, so hopefully this will work out just as well.
I'll start with the British PLA mount in WW II...
Cromwell:
...it looks like that actually saw combat use from that second photo.
Crusader:
Canadian Ram:
I'll start with the British PLA mount in WW II...
Cromwell:
...it looks like that actually saw combat use from that second photo.
Crusader:
Canadian Ram:
Frenchy
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Posted: Sunday, December 17, 2017 - 04:01 PM UTC
Vietnam era M48A3's :
H.P.
H.P.
JSSVIII
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Posted: Sunday, December 17, 2017 - 04:44 PM UTC
Yea the M48 in Vietnam is probably going to show up a lot in this thread, here's a couple more:
an M60 for the loader:
...and another with a .50 cal for the loader:
an M60 for the loader:
...and another with a .50 cal for the loader:
Bravo1102
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Posted: Sunday, December 17, 2017 - 05:43 PM UTC
That first Marine M48 just has a standard tripod put crossways on the turret.
Similar improvised 30 cal. Mounts were also on Sheridans.
Similar improvised 30 cal. Mounts were also on Sheridans.
Frenchy
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Posted: Sunday, December 17, 2017 - 06:56 PM UTC
Another one :
2 x .50's on a Sheridan :
H.P.
2 x .50's on a Sheridan :
H.P.
ReluctantRenegade
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Posted: Sunday, December 17, 2017 - 07:15 PM UTC
12.7 mm 'Dushka' AA MG mount on Syrian Pz.IV
The same mount on Syrian and Egyptian T-34s
The same mount on Syrian and Egyptian T-34s
ReluctantRenegade
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Posted: Sunday, December 17, 2017 - 07:30 PM UTC
I don't know whether re-equipped captured hardware counts, but in case it does, here you go:
7.62 mm FN MAG mounted on IDF PT-76s
Well, not tanks, but still...
0.50 cal and FN MAG on IDF BTR-50/OT-62s
Frankly, just about any British/French/US/USSR made equipment in IDF service can tick the box...
7.62 mm FN MAG mounted on IDF PT-76s
Well, not tanks, but still...
0.50 cal and FN MAG on IDF BTR-50/OT-62s
Frankly, just about any British/French/US/USSR made equipment in IDF service can tick the box...
Frenchy
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Posted: Sunday, December 17, 2017 - 11:41 PM UTC
Twin .50's on a Sheridan :
Side-mounted M60 :
14.5 mm KPVT on a Northern Alliance T-59 (bolted to a DShKM mount ) :
Similar setup on a T-55 :
H.P.
Side-mounted M60 :
14.5 mm KPVT on a Northern Alliance T-59 (bolted to a DShKM mount ) :
Similar setup on a T-55 :
H.P.
Spartak
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Posted: Monday, December 18, 2017 - 12:40 AM UTC
Croatian T-55 & T-34B with M2 Browning
JSSVIII
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Posted: Monday, December 18, 2017 - 04:12 AM UTC
Nice photos guys! Here are a couple of other views of the Sheridan twin .50's, and the Northern alliance T-59 w/KVPT that Frenchy posted:
JSSVIII
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Posted: Monday, December 18, 2017 - 04:47 AM UTC
Here is one of my favorites in this category:
If you look closely at the minigun, it looks like the mount is some sort of roadwheel arm welded to the top of the turret, does anyone recognize the arm and what vehicle it is from?
...and what purpose did the .50 on the rear deck serve, unless they were on top of a hill, maybe on guard duty?:
If you look closely at the minigun, it looks like the mount is some sort of roadwheel arm welded to the top of the turret, does anyone recognize the arm and what vehicle it is from?
...and what purpose did the .50 on the rear deck serve, unless they were on top of a hill, maybe on guard duty?:
Frenchy
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Posted: Monday, December 18, 2017 - 11:40 AM UTC
Quoted Text
If you look closely at the minigun, it looks like the mount is some sort of roadwheel arm welded to the top of the turret, does anyone recognize the arm and what vehicle it is from?
To me it rather looks like a M113 ACAV M60 mount :
(from http://svsm.org/gallery/m113a1?page=3 )
H.P.
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Posted: Monday, December 18, 2017 - 03:38 PM UTC
Syrian StuG fitted with an Italian SAFAT 12.7mm MG :
Another DShK-fitted T-34 (North Vietnamese Army) :
H.P.
Another DShK-fitted T-34 (North Vietnamese Army) :
H.P.
JSSVIII
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Posted: Monday, December 18, 2017 - 04:58 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Quoted TextIf you look closely at the minigun, it looks like the mount is some sort of roadwheel arm welded to the top of the turret, does anyone recognize the arm and what vehicle it is from?
To me it rather looks like a M113 ACAV M60 mount :
(from http://svsm.org/gallery/m113a1?page=3 )
H.P.
It looks like you might have found the answer Frenchy, that does look right, thank you!
Here is a photo I found of what was labled as an IS T-55 with a coaxial KVPT (it looks like they may have mounted it in place of the searchlight, but its hard to tell) and a Dshk:
I wish I could find a better photo of that one, I tried, but with no luck.
Removed by original poster on 12/19/17 - 12:52:29 (GMT).
Removed by original poster on 12/19/17 - 12:53:14 (GMT).
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Posted: Monday, December 18, 2017 - 10:54 PM UTC
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...and what purpose did the .50 on the rear deck serve,
Because "more"?
And using a 14.5mm in the antipersonnel role is just so much overkill as to be silly.
JSSVIII
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Posted: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 - 05:19 AM UTC
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And using a 14.5mm in the antipersonnel role is just so much overkill as to be silly.
I doubt very much they would waste any KVPT rounds on personnel, unless it was to chew through a wall to dig out a sniper maybe...
Frenchy
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Posted: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 - 02:44 PM UTC
Libyan T-72 fitted with a .50 Browning :
Full size
If you think a MG is not punchy enough, just replace it with a SA-3
H.P.
Full size
If you think a MG is not punchy enough, just replace it with a SA-3
H.P.
JSSVIII
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Posted: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 - 04:29 PM UTC
Nice one Frenchy, had not seen that T-72 with the .50 before!
Here are a couple of shots of a T-55 AMV in Syria with one also:
Here are a couple of shots of a T-55 AMV in Syria with one also:
Bravo1102
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Posted: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 - 05:51 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Quoted Text...and what purpose did the .50 on the rear deck serve,
Because "more"?
And using a 14.5mm in the antipersonnel role is just so much overkill as to be silly.
Perimeter security. Tanks couldn't always park in a coil so if parked alone to defend the perimeter a spare 50 beats the he'll out of any alternative.
And a 50 caliber is over kill on personnel. Slices people to ribbons but it has great penetration for walls and such.
And sometimes "overkill" helps one sleep better.
Frenchy
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Posted: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 - 07:08 PM UTC
A Croatian T-34-85 fitted with a .50 :
and a Cypriot one (1974) :
H.P.
and a Cypriot one (1974) :
H.P.
RobinNilsson
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Posted: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 - 08:01 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Quoted TextQuoted Text...and what purpose did the .50 on the rear deck serve,
Because "more"?
And using a 14.5mm in the antipersonnel role is just so much overkill as to be silly.
Perimeter security. Tanks couldn't always park in a coil so if parked alone to defend the perimeter a spare 50 beats the he'll out of any alternative.
And a 50 caliber is over kill on personnel. Slices people to ribbons but it has great penetration for walls and such.
And sometimes "overkill" helps one sleep better.
Maybe some "psychology" on the opponent side could come into this as well. Some soldiers react with a loss of morale or will to fight when they see their buddy sliced up by a heavy weapon. In some cases it works the opposite way.
Risking getting shot with something that the doctors might be able to patch up is one thing, seeing your buddy getting shot to pieces is another. It can have a sobering effect on even fanatic fighters.
The presence of a .50 on the enemy side would certainly make me cautious ....
/ Robin
JSSVIII
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Posted: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 - 05:39 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Quoted TextQuoted Text...and what purpose did the .50 on the rear deck serve,
Because "more"?
And using a 14.5mm in the antipersonnel role is just so much overkill as to be silly.
Perimeter security. Tanks couldn't always park in a coil so if parked alone to defend the perimeter a spare 50 beats the he'll out of any alternative.
And a 50 caliber is over kill on personnel. Slices people to ribbons but it has great penetration for walls and such.
And sometimes "overkill" helps one sleep better.
I kind of figured some sort of security duty might be the case.
...and not just overkill, but if I remember correctly, it's against the Geneva convention LOL, and before people pile on that statement, we were instructed VERY specifically, in training, that we were NOT to fire the .50 at troops, we were to fire at their EQUIPMENT, such as weapons, helmets, canteens, belt buckles etc... I have no idea if the Geneva convention statement is true or not, but they were very specific, and I remember it well because it was so ridiculous.
JSSVIII
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Posted: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 - 05:55 AM UTC
Here are few from WW II again:
.30 Browning on a crusader:
I think that is a MK 1 or 2, is there any way to tell from what is visible in that photo?
...and a twin .30 mount on a Ram this time:
...I re-posted the Vickers K gun in the PLA mount for comparison, because I think that is what the Brownings are mounted on.
.30 Browning on a crusader:
I think that is a MK 1 or 2, is there any way to tell from what is visible in that photo?
...and a twin .30 mount on a Ram this time:
...I re-posted the Vickers K gun in the PLA mount for comparison, because I think that is what the Brownings are mounted on.
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