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Quickwheel Fitment Question - Tamiay Sherman
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Posted: Tuesday, December 26, 2017 - 05:51 PM UTC
Hi All - was trying to upload a photo I took to a new album on my gallery, but keeps saying "no photos" even after seems to upload fine --- I can't send to someone via email if they can post

Anyway, I just sprayed my 1/35 wheels base gray for my Tamiya M4 (#35250) and noticed a tiny lip beyond the correct OD center area, that would be incorrectly OD. Anyone have this happen?

It's QW-085

There are three stencils and its the same with all three

Never had this happen with QW, so maybe just a slip up when being made.
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Posted: Tuesday, December 26, 2017 - 08:42 PM UTC
Sorry, I don't understand what you are talking about. Try writing it out more thoroughly to help us understand what you mean.
Keep trying to upload..a picture would help.
email me the picture [email protected]
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Posted: Tuesday, December 26, 2017 - 09:51 PM UTC

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Hi All - was trying to upload a photo I took to a new album on my gallery, but keeps saying "no photos" even after seems to upload fine --- I can't send to someone via email if they can post

Anyway, I just sprayed my 1/35 wheels base gray for my Tamiya M4 (#35250) and noticed a tiny lip beyond the correct OD center area, that would be incorrectly OD. Anyone have this happen?

It's QW-085

There are three stencils and its the same with all three

Never had this happen with QW, so maybe just a slip up when being made.


Have I understood the problem correctly if I sum it up as:
The QW-mask has allowed paint to get outside of the "rim" and onto the area that should be "black" rubber.

I think this could/would happen in real life too ....
/ Robin
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Posted: Tuesday, December 26, 2017 - 10:22 PM UTC

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Hi All - was trying to upload a photo I took to a new album on my gallery, but keeps saying "no photos" even after seems to upload fine --- I can't send to someone via email if they can post

Anyway, I just sprayed my 1/35 wheels base gray for my Tamiya M4 (#35250) and noticed a tiny lip beyond the correct OD center area, that would be incorrectly OD. Anyone have this happen?

It's QW-085

There are three stencils and its the same with all three

Never had this happen with QW, so maybe just a slip up when being made.


Have I understood the problem correctly if I sum it up as:
The QW-mask has allowed paint to get outside of the "rim" and onto the area that should be "black" rubber.

I think this could/would happen in real life too ....
/ Robin


Oversprayed the rubber tire while painting the hub, yup happens in real life.
https://www.super-hobby.com/zdjecia/0/7/7/8618_rd.jpg

Thats why I hand paint the rubber tire.
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Posted: Wednesday, December 27, 2017 - 01:05 AM UTC

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Oversprayed the rubber tire while painting the hub, yup happens in real life.
https://www.super-hobby.com/zdjecia/0/7/7/8618_rd.jpg

Thats why I hand paint the rubber tire.


Yes, it does happen, and paint lasts on flexing rubber for about 15 minutes. So, if you are planning to show a freshly painted vehicle or a static display piece, it's great, otherwise it's worthwhile to pay attention to the line. That being said, slight differences in the size of the masks and the hub are usually unnoticeable IF the overspray is concentric to the hub. Even then, a thin wash of black or rubber-colored paint can put a line in place that hides the error.

Hand painting is fine if you keep everything concentric. It takes a real artisan to make it look like 1/35 scale irregularities rather than 1/1 goofs.

And to the OP: Consider buying a circle template. It costs the same or less than one mask set but lets you paint thousands of wheels of many sizes.

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Posted: Wednesday, December 27, 2017 - 01:42 AM UTC
Ever since seeing this (and other photos I've taken showing similar effects) I haven't worried about it much.



This was one of our support vehicles for task force Python, having made its way from Ft. Carson all the way down to New Orleans. And I venture to say that wasn't fresh paint either. I'd also bet that tank tires don't flex as much as pneumatic tires do.

You'd be gigged horribly by the judges for presenting something like this at a contest:

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Posted: Wednesday, December 27, 2017 - 02:42 AM UTC
Road wheel rubber is solid. It doesn't flex. Over spray can last for years. Gloppy painting will flake off fast.

But truthfully, get a circle cutter and measure yourself.
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Posted: Wednesday, December 27, 2017 - 05:18 AM UTC

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Road wheel rubber is solid. It doesn't flex.


Indeed, it does. That's why it is there. If it didn't, they would just use steel. The flat spot of contact becomes round and the round surface beside it goes flat when the wheel rolls. In other words, the tire changes shape (width and thickness) as it turns. That's flexing.

KL
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Posted: Wednesday, December 27, 2017 - 05:35 AM UTC

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Ever since seeing this (and other photos I've taken showing similar effects) I haven't worried about it much.



This was one of our support vehicles for task force Python, having made its way from Ft. Carson all the way down to New Orleans. And I venture to say that wasn't fresh paint either. I'd also bet that tank tires don't flex as much as pneumatic tires do.

You'd be gigged horribly by the judges for presenting something like this at a contest:



Eh, OK. My frame of reference is Desert Shield/Storm, where the entire vehicle was sprayed desert sand upon arrival but the hub/tire demarcation line was razor sharp and the track blocks clean once the vehicles were at their units.

Unusual things are perfectly acceptable in contests if you make it clear that it is what you are trying to model. The problem is when people are just sloppy or indifferent and try to pass things off as real because "You can't prove it didn't happen!!"

In the world of model railroading the realism-minded guys noticed a long time ago that real trains didn't look like Christmas train sets, with yellow pickle cars, orange billboard reefers, and silver helium cars, rather they were long sets of dull red boxcars and grimy black hoppers. The hard part isn't including the unusual but making the mundane look interesting.

KL
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Posted: Wednesday, December 27, 2017 - 07:13 AM UTC

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Road wheel rubber is solid. It doesn't flex.


Indeed, it does. That's why it is there. If it didn't, they would just use steel. The flat spot of contact becomes round and the round surface beside it goes flat when the wheel rolls. In other words, the tire changes shape (width and thickness) as it turns. That's flexing.

KL


Yes, it flexes on a molecular level, but not very much. Ever smack one with a tanker's bar? Doesn't flex much. Stop being so pedantic just because you like to show up the old dumb tanker. It doesn't flex enough for paint to flake off. You made it sound like a rubber ball not a solid chunk of rubber that barely bounces if dropped.
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Posted: Wednesday, December 27, 2017 - 03:31 PM UTC
Occasionally while repairing the scratches on our HMMWV's, CUCV's, Deuces, 5 Tons, genny trailers, our mechanics would over spray the tires, totally on accident of course. They were pneumatic but the paint rarely flaked off and on a couple of occasions there was paint the whole width of the sidewall. It cracked and some flakes would come off leaving a patchy appearance, but it stuck like it was glued there. We'd let it wear off or sometimes it would come off at the wash point after some pretty heavy scrubbing. If the wheels were what were being painted and the paint got on the tire bead, which is pretty rigid the wasn't going anywhere unless we hit it a green scrubber pad. And then that took a lot of elbow grease.
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Posted: Wednesday, December 27, 2017 - 03:57 PM UTC

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Yes, it flexes on a molecular level, but not very much.


No, it's much more than that. It's visible.


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Stop being so pedantic just because you like to show up the old dumb tanker.


I can't be responsible for how you think of yourself.

KL
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Posted: Wednesday, December 27, 2017 - 11:24 PM UTC
wow..you guys are amazing....I couldn't understand the question.
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Posted: Friday, December 29, 2017 - 03:12 AM UTC

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Yes, it flexes on a molecular level, but not very much.


No, it's much more than that. It's visible.


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Stop being so pedantic just because you like to show up the old dumb tanker.


I can't be responsible for how you think of yourself.

KL

If you actually had personal experience with road wheels you'd know the rubber doesn't flex anywhere near what it does on a pneumatic tire or even a re-treaded truck tire. It certainly doesn't flex enough for over sprayed paint to come off except as the rubber wears down over miles of travel. Funny seeing a truck with re tread tires and there's still yellow paint on the sidewall from the depot several hundred miles ago.


Some of engage in self deprecation because we know we are fallible. Some don't because they are incapable of such self awareness. And human compassion and empathy can help how another feels about themselves. It's truly amazing how the smallest things can mean so much.

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