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Takom Vs Miniart T-54/55
kunjuro
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Posted: Wednesday, December 27, 2017 - 04:23 PM UTC
Hi all. Quick question. Considering picking up Takom's T-54b, T-55am or Type 69-II. I was wondering how these kits compared to the miniart offerings? The Miniart kits cost a bit more though but if I'm already spending 50-60 USD on a kit, I might as well get something that fits better/ is more accurate
Johnathan123
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Posted: Wednesday, December 27, 2017 - 06:24 PM UTC
I have both of the kits you mention and it kind of depends on what you want to do with them. On the Miniart kit there is an insane amount of parts and it would be great if you wanted to do a damaged tank because of the full interior. Most of the interior can not be seen however. The fit is good and out of the box the only thing I would change is the tracks, but I am partial to them being workable. On the Takom kit it has a lower parts count but is missing a few things (nothing major) and some have criticized the wheels. I have no problem with the way the look. I would recommend a new barrel since it is two piece and some new tracks. Hope this helps.
JSSVIII
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Posted: Wednesday, December 27, 2017 - 07:02 PM UTC
Miniart should release the wheels as a separate item, so anyone who doesn't like the Takom wheels (or Tamiya for that matter), now has a decent solution. Personally, I'm just waiting for Quickwheel to release a mask for the Miniart wheels, and I'll be off and running!
jwest21
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Posted: Thursday, December 28, 2017 - 12:08 AM UTC
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They are indeed selling their wheels separately.Miniart should release the wheels as a separate item, so anyone who doesn't like the Takom wheels (or Tamiya for that matter), now has a decent solution.Personally, I'm just waiting for Quickwheel to release a mask for the Miniart wheels, and I'll be off and running!
Violetrock
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Posted: Thursday, December 28, 2017 - 12:15 AM UTC
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Miniart should release the wheels as a separate item, so anyone who doesn't like the Takom wheels (or Tamiya for that matter), now has a decent solution.
Miniart already started to fulfill your whish:
http://miniart-models.com/de/products/37054-t-54-wheels-set-early-type/
http://miniart-models.com/products/37056-t-54-t-55-wheels-set/
Most probably they will release more, when they released te corresponding kit.
Miniart also releases their T-54/55 kits without interior.
Thomas
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Posted: Thursday, December 28, 2017 - 12:27 AM UTC
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I have both of the kits you mention and it kind of depends on what you want to do with them. On the Miniart kit there is an insane amount of parts and it would be great if you wanted to do a damaged tank because of the full interior. Most of the interior can not be seen however.
Miniart sell all their T-54/T-55 kits also in "no interior" versions, so your arguments are a bit flawed.
Miniart kits are not only much more detailed, but also more accurate than the Takom ones (with the exception for main gun barrel in T-54 kit, but it was finally corrected in T-55). Takom is OK, but not great in my opinion. They however offer some variants that are not available from MiniArt.
So in my opinion:
If you are scared by the large number of detail parts (even in the no interior version) of the MiniArt kit, then get Takom kit.
If you want some variants that is only available from Takom, get Takom kit.
But if you are not afraid of multitude of parts and the version you want to build is offered by MiniArt, then definitely get MiniArt.
Johnathan123
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Posted: Thursday, December 28, 2017 - 01:40 AM UTC
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Quoted TextI have both of the kits you mention and it kind of depends on what you want to do with them. On the Miniart kit there is an insane amount of parts and it would be great if you wanted to do a damaged tank because of the full interior. Most of the interior can not be seen however.
Miniart sell all their T-54/T-55 kits also in "no interior" versions, so your arguments are a bit flawed.
Miniart kits are not only much more detailed, but also more accurate than the Takom ones (with the exception for main gun barrel in T-54 kit, but it was finally corrected in T-55). Takom is OK, but not great in my opinion. They however offer some variants that are not available from MiniArt.
So in my opinion:
If you are scared by the large number of detail parts (even in the no interior version) of the MiniArt kit, then get Takom kit.
If you want some variants that is only available from Takom, get Takom kit.
But if you are not afraid of multitude of parts and the version you want to build is offered by MiniArt, then definitely get MiniArt.
I see no flaw but respect "your opinion". I will no longer give my opinion on this site. It never ceases to amaze me how often I am attacked here for giving it.
Posted: Thursday, December 28, 2017 - 03:39 AM UTC
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Quoted TextQuoted TextI have both of the kits you mention and it kind of depends on what you want to do with them. On the Miniart kit there is an insane amount of parts and it would be great if you wanted to do a damaged tank because of the full interior. Most of the interior can not be seen however.
Miniart sell all their T-54/T-55 kits also in "no interior" versions, so your arguments are a bit flawed.
Miniart kits are not only much more detailed, but also more accurate than the Takom ones (with the exception for main gun barrel in T-54 kit, but it was finally corrected in T-55). Takom is OK, but not great in my opinion. They however offer some variants that are not available from MiniArt.
So in my opinion:
If you are scared by the large number of detail parts (even in the no interior version) of the MiniArt kit, then get Takom kit.
If you want some variants that is only available from Takom, get Takom kit.
But if you are not afraid of multitude of parts and the version you want to build is offered by MiniArt, then definitely get MiniArt.
I see no flaw but respect "your opinion". I will no longer give my opinion on this site. It never ceases to amaze me how often I am attacked here for giving it.
Where was the attack? He countered your statement in a meaningful manner and I do not see him attacking you, just countering your opinion with his.
kunjuro
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Posted: Thursday, December 28, 2017 - 12:52 PM UTC
Thanks for the discussion guys. Will be checking our LHS soon
exgrunt
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Posted: Thursday, December 28, 2017 - 06:53 PM UTC
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Quoted TextQuoted TextI have both of the kits you mention and it kind of depends on what you want to do with them. On the Miniart kit there is an insane amount of parts and it would be great if you wanted to do a damaged tank because of the full interior. Most of the interior can not be seen however.
Miniart sell all their T-54/T-55 kits also in "no interior" versions, so your arguments are a bit flawed.
Miniart kits are not only much more detailed, but also more accurate than the Takom ones (with the exception for main gun barrel in T-54 kit, but it was finally corrected in T-55). Takom is OK, but not great in my opinion. They however offer some variants that are not available from MiniArt.
So in my opinion:
If you are scared by the large number of detail parts (even in the no interior version) of the MiniArt kit, then get Takom kit.
If you want some variants that is only available from Takom, get Takom kit.
But if you are not afraid of multitude of parts and the version you want to build is offered by MiniArt, then definitely get MiniArt.
I see no flaw but respect "your opinion". I will no longer give my opinion on this site. It never ceases to amaze me how often I am attacked here for giving it.
There was no attack, he simply corrected an erroneous statement of yours. No need to be so sensitive.
barrowb98
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Posted: Thursday, December 28, 2017 - 10:25 PM UTC
A lot depends on the variant. Right now, most of Miniart's are earlier versions (they started with the T-54-1 and are working their way up in pretty much chronological order) while Takom started with later models (T-55AM, Type 69II, T-54B late, etc.)
There's very little overlap between Takom/Miniart. In fact I can't think of any right now, Takom's T-54B is a late, Miniart's is an early (pre-1964ish)
The best (IMO) version that Takom has done so far is their Type 59/69I 2 in 1 kit, based on their "dumbed-down" domestic-only Type 59 and 69 releases. It fixes a lot of the issues the earlier releases had (especially the roadwheels), but OOTB it only builds Chinese (& Pakistani export) versions, there are some detail difference between T-54A/Type 59 and T-54B/Type 69 that could be changed with a little modeling effort/trip to the parts box. Takom's kits are excellent so long as you don't compare them to Miniart.
The Miniart series is, IMO, one of the most spectacular undertakings I've ever seen in plastic modeling, interior or no interior. It is truly a masterpiece kit, you can tell they know and love the subject. I'm really impressed by what they've done and I look forward to future versions.
There's very little overlap between Takom/Miniart. In fact I can't think of any right now, Takom's T-54B is a late, Miniart's is an early (pre-1964ish)
The best (IMO) version that Takom has done so far is their Type 59/69I 2 in 1 kit, based on their "dumbed-down" domestic-only Type 59 and 69 releases. It fixes a lot of the issues the earlier releases had (especially the roadwheels), but OOTB it only builds Chinese (& Pakistani export) versions, there are some detail difference between T-54A/Type 59 and T-54B/Type 69 that could be changed with a little modeling effort/trip to the parts box. Takom's kits are excellent so long as you don't compare them to Miniart.
The Miniart series is, IMO, one of the most spectacular undertakings I've ever seen in plastic modeling, interior or no interior. It is truly a masterpiece kit, you can tell they know and love the subject. I'm really impressed by what they've done and I look forward to future versions.
stephane
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Posted: Thursday, December 28, 2017 - 10:29 PM UTC
Hello all
Is there someone who owns Miniart T55A and could take measurement for me please?
I'm looking for the dimensions of the turret base (lengh and width) if some of you could help...
Miniart kit seems to have superior wheels and perhaps tracks and the interrior looks superb but since i don't remember any photo of a T54/55 destroyed and without its turret like lot of T72/M84, building it destroyed isn't an option for me.
The Takom kit has a good point, it could be build as russian or CZ version since the 2 engine decks are include.
Stéphane
Is there someone who owns Miniart T55A and could take measurement for me please?
I'm looking for the dimensions of the turret base (lengh and width) if some of you could help...
Miniart kit seems to have superior wheels and perhaps tracks and the interrior looks superb but since i don't remember any photo of a T54/55 destroyed and without its turret like lot of T72/M84, building it destroyed isn't an option for me.
The Takom kit has a good point, it could be build as russian or CZ version since the 2 engine decks are include.
Stéphane
barrowb98
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Posted: Thursday, December 28, 2017 - 10:34 PM UTC
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Hello all
Is there someone who owns Miniart T55A and could take measurement for me please?
I'm looking for the dimensions of the turret base (lengh and width) if some of you could help...
I have the T-55 I'm pretty sure it's the same part between the two. I'll measure when I get home.
barrowb98
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Posted: Thursday, December 28, 2017 - 10:51 PM UTC
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Miniart kit seems to have superior wheels and perhaps tracks and the interrior looks superb but since i don't remember any photo of a T54/55 destroyed and without its turret like lot of T72/M84, building it destroyed isn't an option for me.
Here's a couple:
Iraq:
Afghanistan:
(I think I've got another angle of this same one saved somewhere...)
I do, I do:
barrowb98
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Posted: Friday, December 29, 2017 - 09:22 AM UTC
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Quoted TextHello all
Is there someone who owns Miniart T55A and could take measurement for me please?
I'm looking for the dimensions of the turret base (lengh and width) if some of you could help...
I have the T-55 I'm pretty sure it's the same part between the two. I'll measure when I get home.
77mm x 71mm
Just the base, right? Not the over all turret?
stephane
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Posted: Friday, December 29, 2017 - 03:33 PM UTC
Many thanks for your help Brett (dimensions and photos).
The dimensions i'm looking for are the external ones of the turret. I took the dimensions after i turned the kits turrets.
The drawing in Military modelling are: 78x74 mm
Of course it's not factory drawing but the one in russian magazine MHobby are nearly the same dimensions.
the Takom turret: 78x73.5 mm
the Tamiya turret: 76x72.5 mm
Thanks in advance
Stephane
The dimensions i'm looking for are the external ones of the turret. I took the dimensions after i turned the kits turrets.
The drawing in Military modelling are: 78x74 mm
Of course it's not factory drawing but the one in russian magazine MHobby are nearly the same dimensions.
the Takom turret: 78x73.5 mm
the Tamiya turret: 76x72.5 mm
Thanks in advance
Stephane
barrowb98
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Posted: Friday, December 29, 2017 - 07:57 PM UTC
Ok, I thought you just wanted base plate. I got 73mm x 78mm, the turret shell only adds about a mm or so because the base plate includes part of the bevel undercut on the turret edge.
KurtLaughlin
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Posted: Saturday, December 30, 2017 - 12:21 AM UTC
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I see no flaw but respect "your opinion". I will no longer give my opinion on this site. It never ceases to amaze me how often I am attacked here for giving it.
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Where was the attack? He countered your statement in a meaningful manner and I do not see him attacking you, just countering your opinion with his.
Some people have this bizarre idea that if you label a statement as an "opinion" then it becomes unassailable from any quarter regardless of how poorly formed or factually incorrect it's basis may be. They therefore take an unbelievable offense to any responding comment that falls short of fawning praise.
I also did a quick look of this guy's previous posts and I didn't see many responses to anything he wrote, let alone negative ones. People are weird.
KL
Posted: Saturday, December 30, 2017 - 01:19 AM UTC
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Quoted TextI see no flaw but respect "your opinion". I will no longer give my opinion on this site. It never ceases to amaze me how often I am attacked here for giving it.Quoted TextWhere was the attack? He countered your statement in a meaningful manner and I do not see him attacking you, just countering your opinion with his.
Some people have this bizarre idea that if you label a statement as an "opinion" then it becomes unassailable from any quarter regardless of how poorly formed or factually incorrect it's basis may be. They therefore take an unbelievable offense to any responding comment that falls short of fawning praise.
I also did a quick look of this guy's previous posts and I didn't see many responses to anything he wrote, let alone negative ones. People are weird.
KL
May be the smiley face meant he was joking? Just seemed odd.
stephane
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Posted: Saturday, December 30, 2017 - 01:52 PM UTC
many thanks again Brett.
i'll get a miniart T55A with interrior ....
cheers
stephane
i'll get a miniart T55A with interrior ....
cheers
stephane