Now that Takom's Bergepanther is on its way, what 1/35 scale military vehicle(s) would take over its 'Holy Grail' status?
What other kits have been ignored/neglected by the manufacturers for decades thus badly needed to be replaced by a newly tooled kit or at least to be retooled; or worse still, popular subjects (if there's any) that have never been produced by any of the mainstream companies?
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What's the new 'Holy Grail' of AFV modelers?
ReluctantRenegade
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Posted: Saturday, January 13, 2018 - 01:39 PM UTC
GTDeath13
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Posted: Saturday, January 13, 2018 - 02:13 PM UTC
Modern ARVs in general. Chieftain, M51, Leopard 1 and 2, Centurion, Challenger, Leclerc, IDF Trail Blazer!!!! M88A2 pleaseeeeeeee....
system
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Posted: Saturday, January 13, 2018 - 02:47 PM UTC
Great topic. Presumably the subtext is it has to be something that will sell in good numbers.
From the modern standpoint there are still some gaps in the MBT/light tank line-up:
- Early T-72 (Ural)
- M551 Sheridan
- Challenger 1 mk3
- Challenger 2 'Megatron'
Also very surprised no-one has yet taken a comprehensive pass through the Euro Leopard 2 family (E, HEL, DK, Strv 122 etc.) Hobby Boss announced a 'Leopard 2 Project' a couple of years ago but since then, nada.
From the modern standpoint there are still some gaps in the MBT/light tank line-up:
- Early T-72 (Ural)
- M551 Sheridan
- Challenger 1 mk3
- Challenger 2 'Megatron'
Also very surprised no-one has yet taken a comprehensive pass through the Euro Leopard 2 family (E, HEL, DK, Strv 122 etc.) Hobby Boss announced a 'Leopard 2 Project' a couple of years ago but since then, nada.
Greenmachine
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Posted: Saturday, January 13, 2018 - 02:51 PM UTC
A 1/35 Dodge WC54 ambulance,1/35 W29 Weasel and a 1/35 UH-1C/D helicopter.
David1988
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Posted: Saturday, January 13, 2018 - 03:19 PM UTC
I think there's a gap in the market at the moment for 1/35 Centurions. It is a well known type with a variety of variants, different users and different markings.
Jmarles
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Posted: Saturday, January 13, 2018 - 03:36 PM UTC
Hmmm!
1) bergepanther "D"
2) bergepanther "G"
3) bergepanther "A" turretless winchless
Okay okay howzabout:
Bedford M series truck...could be used a base for dozens of versions and it's never been done in 1/35 styrene
Short wheelbase Land Rover
Iltis
WWII Bedford 3t GS
Ferret MkII with UK, Cdn and UN decals
1942 Ford Staff Car/Wagon
Modern Cdn snipers
Navistar military truck
1960s - 1980s Range Rover
US Navy Ford bomb truck WWII
Vomag heavy truck
Vomag 88mm
Somua halftrack w/ pak 40
Kegress halftrack
...all sensible releases of important or neglected vehicles...nothing too left field.
1) bergepanther "D"
2) bergepanther "G"
3) bergepanther "A" turretless winchless
Okay okay howzabout:
Bedford M series truck...could be used a base for dozens of versions and it's never been done in 1/35 styrene
Short wheelbase Land Rover
Iltis
WWII Bedford 3t GS
Ferret MkII with UK, Cdn and UN decals
1942 Ford Staff Car/Wagon
Modern Cdn snipers
Navistar military truck
1960s - 1980s Range Rover
US Navy Ford bomb truck WWII
Vomag heavy truck
Vomag 88mm
Somua halftrack w/ pak 40
Kegress halftrack
...all sensible releases of important or neglected vehicles...nothing too left field.
panzerserra
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Posted: Saturday, January 13, 2018 - 03:56 PM UTC
tanknick22
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Posted: Saturday, January 13, 2018 - 03:57 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Modern ARVs in general. Chieftain, M51, Leopard 1 and 2, Centurion, Challenger, Leclerc, IDF Trail Blazer!!!! M88A2 pleaseeeeeeee....
I believe takom makes 3 or 4 versions of the chieftain
and Meng makes both Leopard 1 and 2 and there is nothing wrong with Tamiya's Challenger 1,Challenger 2, LeClerc and M51
Id lime to see a Nammer APC and a M88A2 from anyone but Takom
i found soo mamy issues with the last 3 Takom kits so my view of takom is not favorable
mshackleton
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Posted: Saturday, January 13, 2018 - 04:01 PM UTC
Daimler Armoured Car
Ferret Mk.1, 2, 4 and 5
Covenanter
Scimitar 2
Khalid
Shir 1
Shir 2
M3/M3A1 Stuart family
Brazilian X1A
Ferret Mk.1, 2, 4 and 5
Covenanter
Scimitar 2
Khalid
Shir 1
Shir 2
M3/M3A1 Stuart family
Brazilian X1A
Jmarles
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Posted: Saturday, January 13, 2018 - 04:08 PM UTC
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Forgot that one! There is one at the local reserves drill hall out here. BCR regt
Tanksami
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Posted: Saturday, January 13, 2018 - 04:14 PM UTC
Hi Nick,
I would be curious to know which 3 kits you are talking about? I haven't brought a takom kit since the Type 69 II came out,which I greatly liked, did get the early run on the T54b which used the T55 lower hull
Cheers
Mike
I would be curious to know which 3 kits you are talking about? I haven't brought a takom kit since the Type 69 II came out,which I greatly liked, did get the early run on the T54b which used the T55 lower hull
Cheers
Mike
ReluctantRenegade
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Posted: Saturday, January 13, 2018 - 04:15 PM UTC
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Covenanter
Oh yeah, still no affordable (styrene) version of that...
GTDeath13
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Posted: Saturday, January 13, 2018 - 04:19 PM UTC
Quoted Text
I believe takom makes 3 or 4 versions of the chieftain
and Meng makes both Leopard 1 and 2 and there is nothing wrong with Tamiya's Challenger 1,Challenger 2, LeClerc and M51
I did not mean the MBTs but the ARV versions based on the vehicles' chassis:
Dachs, Bergepanzer 2, Bergepanzer BPz3 Büffel, WISENT 2, AMX-30 Dépanneur-Niveleur, FV4204 ARV/ARRV, Chieftain AVRE, Leclerc DNG/DCL, Leclerc EPG, FV 4003 Centurion Mk 5 AVRE 165, FV 4006 Centurion ARV Mk 2, FV 4013 Centurion ARV Mk 1, FV 4018 Centurion BARV etc... Oh and M51 I meant the ARV based on the M103A2 heavy tank
ReluctantRenegade
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Posted: Saturday, January 13, 2018 - 04:21 PM UTC
Quoted Text
M3/M3A1 Stuart family
The first kit I thought of when opened the thread...
tanknick22
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Posted: Saturday, January 13, 2018 - 04:23 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Great topic. Presumably the subtext is it has to be something that will sell in good numbers.
From the modern standpoint there are still some gaps in the MBT/light tank line-up:
- Early T-72 (Ural)
- M551 Sheridan
- Challenger 1 mk3
- Challenger 2 'Megatron'
Also very surprised no-one has yet taken a comprehensive pass through the Euro Leopard 2 family (E, HEL, DK, Strv 122 etc.) Hobby Boss announced a 'Leopard 2 Project' a couple of years ago but since then, nada.
hobby boss does make the euro Leopard 2
they have a Strv122 , LeoPARD 2A5DK and a Spanish Leopard 2E
and eschelon makes a decal sheet for marking for
Denmark,Norway,Finland,Poland,Sweden and Greece
which covers Leopard 2A4 and A5 varients
Ludvig
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Posted: Saturday, January 13, 2018 - 04:24 PM UTC
I am more into ARV/AEV and bridgelayers than “normal” tanks so for me it would be great if some of these things came as a regular plastic kit.
- Leopard 1 AVLB Biber + Leguan
- Leopard 2 Leguan + PSB2
- Leopard 1 Berger
- Leopard 2 Büffel
- Centurion AVLB
- Leopard 2 Kodiak
- Leopard 1 + 2 Wisent (ARV + mineplow)
- Leopard 1 AVLB Biber + Leguan
- Leopard 2 Leguan + PSB2
- Leopard 1 Berger
- Leopard 2 Büffel
- Centurion AVLB
- Leopard 2 Kodiak
- Leopard 1 + 2 Wisent (ARV + mineplow)
GTDeath13
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Posted: Saturday, January 13, 2018 - 04:30 PM UTC
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hobby boss does make the euro Leopard 2
they have a Strv122 , LeoPARD 2A5DK and a Spanish Leopard 2E
They also have 2A4, 2A5 2A6 EX but all of early Hobby Boss Leopard 2 Kits, with the exeption of the Canadian variants, are mediocre to say the least and quite inaccurate.
tanknick22
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Posted: Saturday, January 13, 2018 - 04:58 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Now that Takom's Bergepanther is on its way, what 1/35 scale military vehicle(s) would take over its 'Holy Grail' status?
What other kits have been ignored/neglected by the manufacturers for decades thus badly needed to be replaced by a newly tooled kit or at least to be retooled; or worse still, popular subjects (if there's any) that have never been produced by any of the mainstream companies?
here is what id like to see
M60 AVLB so i dont have to kitbash Dragon's new M48 AVLB
m104 wolverene
Joint Assault Bridge
M88A2
Nammer APC
Stryker dragoon new varient with 30mm gun turret
M1128 MGS Stryker
hey trumpeter why dont you do these versions of the stryker
th_berlin
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Posted: Saturday, January 13, 2018 - 05:01 PM UTC
Hello,
how about some more vehicles of the Cold War era (some of them have been mentioned before I just noticed)?
British Army:
- Land Rover Light Weight + 109 Long Wheel Base
- Alvis Stalwart / Saracen / Saladin (not Black Label please...)
- Humber "Pig"
- Bedford RL / MK / MJ Trucks
- Ferret Scout Car, especially Mk.2/3, but all other variants welcome as well (Accurate Armour are the only ones producing it so far, but in Resin...)
- CVRW Fox Armoured Car
- some more variants of FV432 (e.g. FV432/30, FV434 REME Fitter, ...)
- Abbot
- Centurion ARV (AFV Club???)
- Centurion AVRE (AFV Club???)
- British Centurion MBT Variants (e.g. Mk.III, AFV Club?)
- Chieftain ARV (TAKOM???)
- Chieftain Bridgelayer (TAKOM???)
US Army:
- M51 APC to go with DRAGON's M48A1 Patton Tank
- Hopefully DRAGON will follow their M48 AVLB with the M60 variant?
- M41 / M44 / M55 SP Howitzers
- Honest John
- M8 Artillery Tractor
- M88A2 ARV (should be easy for AFV Club!)
- M51 ARV
French Army:
- VAB 4x4 / 6x6
- AMX 13 APC + Ambulance + ARV versions (TAKOM???)
- AMX 10 APC (tracked)
- AMX 30D ARV, AMX 30 Pluton (come on, MENG!!!)
German Bundeswehr:
- "Biber" (Leopard 1) Bridgelayer
- Leopard 1 ARV (Bergepanzer 2)
- Spz kurz Hotchkiss APC
- Spz lang HS30 APC
- Unimog U404 Truck variants
- VW 181
- VW Iltis
Just dreaming...
how about some more vehicles of the Cold War era (some of them have been mentioned before I just noticed)?
British Army:
- Land Rover Light Weight + 109 Long Wheel Base
- Alvis Stalwart / Saracen / Saladin (not Black Label please...)
- Humber "Pig"
- Bedford RL / MK / MJ Trucks
- Ferret Scout Car, especially Mk.2/3, but all other variants welcome as well (Accurate Armour are the only ones producing it so far, but in Resin...)
- CVRW Fox Armoured Car
- some more variants of FV432 (e.g. FV432/30, FV434 REME Fitter, ...)
- Abbot
- Centurion ARV (AFV Club???)
- Centurion AVRE (AFV Club???)
- British Centurion MBT Variants (e.g. Mk.III, AFV Club?)
- Chieftain ARV (TAKOM???)
- Chieftain Bridgelayer (TAKOM???)
US Army:
- M51 APC to go with DRAGON's M48A1 Patton Tank
- Hopefully DRAGON will follow their M48 AVLB with the M60 variant?
- M41 / M44 / M55 SP Howitzers
- Honest John
- M8 Artillery Tractor
- M88A2 ARV (should be easy for AFV Club!)
- M51 ARV
French Army:
- VAB 4x4 / 6x6
- AMX 13 APC + Ambulance + ARV versions (TAKOM???)
- AMX 10 APC (tracked)
- AMX 30D ARV, AMX 30 Pluton (come on, MENG!!!)
German Bundeswehr:
- "Biber" (Leopard 1) Bridgelayer
- Leopard 1 ARV (Bergepanzer 2)
- Spz kurz Hotchkiss APC
- Spz lang HS30 APC
- Unimog U404 Truck variants
- VW 181
- VW Iltis
Just dreaming...
th_berlin
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Posted: Saturday, January 13, 2018 - 05:06 PM UTC
Quoted Text
I think there's a gap in the market at the moment for 1/35 Centurions. It is a well known type with a variety of variants, different users and different markings.
Seems that HOBBY BOSS might be filling this gap starting with their announcement of a South African "Olifant" MBT.
And there are a few nice variants from AFV Club already, but they seem to be more into Israeli versions at the moment.
ReluctantRenegade
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Posted: Saturday, January 13, 2018 - 05:14 PM UTC
Slightly off-topic, but the 1/35 scale rotary wing market seems to be a little bit underserved. I would love to see some examples from the Kamov (25/26/27) range...
retiredyank
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Posted: Saturday, January 13, 2018 - 05:48 PM UTC
I'm a simple kind of man. All I want is a 1:35 Sherman Skink, in styrene.
Pave-Hawk
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Posted: Saturday, January 13, 2018 - 05:49 PM UTC
AC1 Sentinel
tanknick22
Joined: February 19, 2009
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Posted: Saturday, January 13, 2018 - 05:52 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Hi Nick,
I would be curious to know which 3 kits you are talking about? I haven't brought a takom kit since the Type 69 II came out,which I greatly liked, did get the early run on the T54b which used the T55 lower hull
Cheers
Mike
the FV432 APC missing part numbers on tracks poor instruction
Typhoon Russian MRAP no indication on instructions how to paint anything
M9 ACE takon claims tracks click together no glue needed you have to glue them
HermannB
Joined: October 14, 2008
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Posted: Saturday, January 13, 2018 - 05:55 PM UTC
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Slightly off-topic, but the 1/35 scale rotary wing market seems to be a little bit underserved. I would love to see some examples from the Kamov (25/26/27) range...
Seem like the 1/35 scale helos from Trumpeter didn`t sell too well...
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